A point of clarification about duchies..

[Kaiser Mors V]

I'm not sure if I did it in the past.. present.. or... err.. future... but.. all duchies are based on their old geography again, not on any old contracts. I think all the contracts got revoked a few Kaisers ago...

[Ari Rahikkala]

Allrighty... I'll move the subdivision fora back to their geographically consistent places, then.

[Kaiser Mors V]

it'll just make things easier I think...

[Andreas the Wise]

Can one of you two do a new map of the Duchies? I'd do it myself, but I don't understand the history well enough ... just show the five major duchies on the current MCS map, I'm sure the dukes can work out counties themselves.

[Ari Rahikkala]

You know you're Shirithian when, even after Debigification, you look at the MCS map and go "wait, we own that place?"...

Anyway, a quickly whipped up map that's probably wrong in many ways is up at http://omploader.org/vNnQ5 . Borea-Elwynn is brown, Brookshire crimson, Kildare light purple, Yardistan aquamarine-ish, Straylight... well.. blue

[Ari Rahikkala]

Looking at that map, I think I can say offhand that Bjorngard should be in Elwynn instead of Brookshire.. and Melangia in Kildare instead of Yardistan. I think. Putting Norfolk down as Yardistani was a pure guess... as were Florencia and Naudia'Diva.

[Shyriath]

Benacia and Naudia'Diva and the islands in between were, I believe, part of Brookshire before the Contract era, and Florencia was in Yardistan. I'm almost certain that Norfolk was in Kildare.

I'm not sure at all about Melangia, but Kildare would make sense. Bjorngard, I think, is what remains of a former protectorate, but I think you're right that it should go to Elwynn; it's probably only in Brookshire due to having reverted to "Crown land", so to speak, at some point.

[Ari Rahikkala]

OK, new version at http://omploader.org/vNnRh ... now someone just needs to make a traditional-style map of Shireroth again (take http://bill3000.hypermart.net/Shireroth/ParingG.png , remove the yellow areas and the other bits we don't have anymore, and recoulour the duchies... which, come to think of it, is what I should have just done in the first place... ah well)

[Maksym Hadjimehmetov]

Can someone please explain to me the provincial system here?
I was under the impression that Kildare, Brookshire, and Yardistan are the duchies, and the counties are subservient to them.
So does that mean that each count has a say of what goes on in all the duchy their county is part f?

[Ari Rahikkala]

For most of Shireroth's history the power to create subdivisions has "flown downward"... the Duchies exist at at the will of the Kaiser, the Baronies exist at the will of the Dukes, and the Counties exist at the will of the Barons (or the Dukes as the case for some). That's the case right now, for instance. We've got the five duchies of Brookshire, Borea-Elwynn, Kildare, Yardistan and Straylight, and those duchies in turn may have baronies and counties (the former with Landsraad approval).

However, it's not so long ago that there was a period when the flow was reversed... every citizen was granted a county, and you were supposed to get into a feudal contract with somebody else to form fiefs with higher power.

We've still got a lot of weirdness carried over from that time.

[Andreas the Wise]

Nice!
Does Straylight have any land though?

[Ari Rahikkala]

Nope. Not a square meter of it. Well, let's say, where Straylightians live, there's generally either a lot of water under them, or more rarely a lot of water over them (and in very rare cases both).

[Andreas the Wise]

Ahh, I see ... what race are they, may I ask?

[Ari Rahikkala]

Pure 100% homegrown human . There were some sentient dolphins around earlier but they kind of disappeared...

[Kaiser Mors V]

Since I made the original Shireroth Duchy map.. I suppose I can make a new one...

And try to put things were they belong...

[Kaiser Mors V]

We should go conquer some land.... Shireroth feels sparse to me...

[Kaiser Mors V]

http://images.shireroth.org/maps/shirer ... 6.2007.PNG

kinda rough... but. not much else I can do with it for now...

[Andreas the Wise]

I thought we said Melangia was Kildare? How about:
http://www.novatainia.org/user_files/an ... eroth2.PNG

[Kaiser Mors V]

Kildare.. Yardistan.. whatever.. Yardistan needed the land more...

[Andreas the Wise]

Yeah, but it fit's nicely into Kildare. And my new map of Baronies to help Jonas ...

[Jonas]

Yeah, but it fit's nicely into Kildare. And my new map of Baronies to help Jonas ...

You want the island, isn't it?

[Ari Rahikkala]

I wouldn't worry about that, there will always be new lands to add to Yardistan

[Kaiser Mors V]

Fine, it matters little. and I don't hear the Yardistanis fighting for it..

[benkern]

*wakes up*

I disagree! Tymaria City is the end of the reach of Kildare. Everything else reverts to "Small clump of filth doing nothing = Yardistan"!

[Andreas the Wise]

Just one small clump wants to do something .... and hence stays Kildare.

[Jacobus Loki]

Fine, it matters little. and I don't hear the Yardistanis fighting for it..

Everything matters to Yardistan!

(Annexes 6 dust motes floating near the Kaiser's left ear.)

It is our sacred duty to be difficult and keep everything, until the Kaiser forces us to see Reason. It's a nice little town, southwest of........
(voice fades as he walks toward the corner of the room.......)

[Shyriath]

Is it a definite that Naudia'Diva and those islands just east of it are staying with Yardistan, then? I have no objections, I just want to make sure... I'm just thinking about trying a sort of map of my own.

On another note, I also seem to recall that little bit with Musica belonging to Yardistan as well once...

[Kaiser Mors V]

If you look at the map on the east coast of brookshire, Musica should be Yardistani Blue...

[Andreas the Wise]

Fine, it matters little. and I don't hear the Yardistanis fighting for it..

Everything matters to Yardistan!

(Annexes 6 dust motes floating near the Kaiser's left ear.)

It is our sacred duty to be difficult and keep everything, until the Kaiser forces us to see Reason. It's a nice little town, southwest of........
(voice fades as he walks toward the corner of the room.......)

Um, Jocobus, you said (with the blessing of the King of Melanje or something) that it was fine for Kildare to have that island ...

EDIT: Found it http://shireroth.kuroshiro.net/forum/vi ... it=#p89433
Assumed that meant Yardistani approval.

[Kaiser Mors V]

It had a happy ending afterall...