Dolor Objects to a vote..

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:38 am

Your vote on the economic bill. Dolor completely and formally objects to the Duke's vote of Aye on the matter.

The system weakens Brookshire within the Landsraad. And in protest. No funds ever to be found within the Barony of Dolor will be counted as usable. How this is to be implemented, I do not know. But I will make it so.

b3n|<3r|\| · Post by **b3n|<3r|\|** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:10 am

If the economic system weakens Brookshire, why don't you try making some money to increase the power of the vote of your Duke?

And while it isn't my place, I must say I find it ridiculous for you to withdraw your erbs - thus weakening Brookshire still further - in protest at the weakening of your Duchy.

Malliki · Post by **Malliki** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:28 am

I give Erik 1000 fictional Erbs for being a really nifty guy.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:45 am

I'm making a point...

Thank you Mike...

b3n|<3r|\| · Post by **b3n|<3r|\|** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:48 am

Enjoy your fictional erbs. I think it's silly is all.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:56 am

I never denied that.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:01 am

I just checked.. brookshire has 240erb... and it's all mine. Literally. I'm the only one with money in this Duchy... Our Duchy now has a 0 vote.

b3n|<3r|\| · Post by **b3n|<3r|\|** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:03 am

That's just fantastic!

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:06 am

Maybe I should make demands...

Yvain Wintersong · Post by **Yvain Wintersong** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:26 am

Baron Erik, thank you for proving that the system works. Now you have a way of influencing me besides making me feel guilty, and your influence is in proportion to your status as an active and important citizen. I anticipate this sort of thing becoming quite common and giving a new dynamic to the feudal system that provides a necessary counterbalance to the ability of a Duke to override his subjects.

I know Mike Fors has money, because he earned it as a citizenship bounty for Bill Bekkenhuis. I will lobby the Ministry of Trade to add it to his account. I've already got a 22E commission to design weaponry for a Ducal militia to be named later. And then Yvain Industries and any other people in this Duchy who want to enjoy the new economic system in the spirit of hard work and cooperation in which it was intended will earn more.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:41 am

All I have is words. There is no system in place to actually subtract my EURrb from your vote. The system is already failing as I see it. And the system is failing you as a Duke who should be trying to maintain his power. You are now impotent, at the mercy of a disgruntled barony. I control the vote of this duchy. How is that the correct way to run a feudal state?

Krasniy Yastreb · Post by **Krasniy Yastreb** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:45 am

I would comment on the issue, but I honestly haven't made my mind up yet. I do note with interest, however, the recent mad scramble to establish businesses at the MiniTrade. Perhaps this will impart some level of function somewhat above that which currently exists, with (hopefully) a sizeable Brookshirian representation.

Yvain Wintersong · Post by **Yvain Wintersong** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:51 am

All I have is words. There is no system in place to actually subtract my EURrb from your vote. The system is already failing as I see it. And the system is failing you as a Duke who should be trying to maintain his power. You are now impotent, at the mercy of a disgruntled barony. I control the vote of this duchy. How is that the correct way to run a feudal state?

I will personally refuse to use your votes, because I care about your opinion and about the integrity of the process, so don't worry about coming up with a system.

Right now no, it's not the correct way to run a feudal state, because for some inexplicable reason you have all the erb in the Duchy. I trust the government to allocate erb more fairly in the future. Once that's done, I will have the most erb if I do the most work for the Duchy, and you will only be able to control the vote of the Duchy if you're the only active and productive citizen in the Duchy.

Hesam Jayatar · Post by **Hesam Jayatar** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:52 am

Brookshire is not at the mercy of your vote. Yvain can easily earn his own Erb. Which should be the case anyway, since he's a leader in the country.

Aurangzeb Khan · Post by **Aurangzeb Khan** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:58 am

I believe Krasniy should put in a claim for his SDI work.

Krasniy Yastreb · Post by **Krasniy Yastreb** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:04 pm

I forgot about that...

b3n|<3r|\| · Post by **b3n|<3r|\|** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:04 pm

I love the way Yvain says this is proof of success and Erik says this is proof of failure.

It's a failure of Brookshire.

Yvain Wintersong · Post by **Yvain Wintersong** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:19 pm

Yvain does some wheeling and dealing at the Ministry of Trade.

There. Now I think I'm richer than Erik, or will be once all these deals go through. And our economic system is totally, hopelessly broken. I should, y'know, do something about that. Or something.

Hesam Jayatar · Post by **Hesam Jayatar** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:24 pm

please see the ministry of trade before all of you nay sayers wet yourselves. There is a post regarding inflation concerns.

Yvain Wintersong · Post by **Yvain Wintersong** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:42 pm

Now that the rest of us have some money and you hopefully realize that holding the whole Duchy hostage and acting like a petulant child isn't going to get you anywhere, let's make a deal.

I think the Kehl as proposed in the Kehl Creation Act is a waste of time, myself, and plan to vote no on it if it's introduced before the Landsraad. But you said earlier today that we should do it...

Erik Mortis wrote:...for fun. Because if we don't want it later we can just turn it off; so it does no harm to have it.

So, here's the deal. I'm willing to vote yes on the Kehl, on the grounds that it'll be fun and we can always just turn it off later, if you're willing to support the new economic system on the same grounds by agreeing to let Brookshire use your erb.

Hesam Jayatar · Post by **Hesam Jayatar** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:13 pm

THIS IS FANTASTIC! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN WHEN I WROTE THE ECONOMY!

Sorry for yelling, I'm just completely ecstatic with this result!

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:24 pm

Nah.. I expected it to fail... I'll just try again some other time when people actually like the idea and it has a chance of passing.

Post by **Andreas the Wise** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:21 pm

Erik, if you don't want your erb to be counted in protest either:
a. Start a Shirekeep account for you and put them all there.
or
b. Give them away. Then you have none to be counted.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:12 am

Yes.. but I have a company to try to start.. I'm gonna need money...

Post by **Jacobus Loki** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:33 pm

You could apply to the Fund for a grant or a low interest loan, but we don't have any money, so you'd go on a waiting list.

Hesam Jayatar · Post by **Hesam Jayatar** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:59 pm

Automat Inc. Has a great deal of funds. Should you wish to take out a loan, please just PM me, with the amount. I will determine an appropriate time line and payment plan.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:29 am

I keep thinking we have all gotten ahead of ourselves...

Post by **Andreas the Wise** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:07 am

Nah, businesses are appearing, people are offering eachother money and trade ... sounds great to me!

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:54 am

I meant.. it seems that people are asking for more and more stuff that will need to be coded into the bank. More features, more automation....

Yvain Wintersong · Post by **Yvain Wintersong** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:37 am

Baron Erik, I saw you post somewhere that you had already transferred your funds in Shirekeep, so I am assuming all the money in the bank under Brookshire is usable votes. If that's incorrect, please tell me so I don't accidentally vote with your money.

Shireroth

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