My Proposal

[Jess]

First, combining the two nations of Babkha and Shireroth would not be devistating, although both would lose their national identity, to an extent.

Second, since we have the same leader for both nations, and this should be recognized by the subjects of both nations, I propose this plan.

Part One (Internal Government)

Neither nation shall interfere with eachothers internal government, Landsraad shall not make rules for Babkha, and the Majilis shall not make rules for Shireroth. The two nations shall have their own forums, flag, etc.

Part Two (External Government)

The two nations shall be represented as one Empire, in external affairs, and represented as one colour on the MCS, which will be the only map the Empire shall belong too.

Part Three (Citizenship)

Having citizenship in both nations will qualify as one citizenship.

Proposed by Jess.

Open for debate?

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Not sure about the citizenship thing or the MCS bit, but its an interesting alternative to my proposal.

[b3n|<3r|\|]

I'm pretty sure there would be serious trouble if we were the same colour on the MCS. So much land under one colour is conspicuous.

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Well I think it would negate all the work that both Shireroth and Babkha did to get their individual nations land back. And as you said, that much land for anyone is bound to restrict either Babkha or Shireroth from expanding again.

[Jess]

I'm pretty sure there would be serious trouble if we were the same colour on the MCS. So much land under one colour is conspicuous.

Charter says no double nations...though spangle did work something out with hasan

[Ari Rahikkala]

Jess, this proposal is uncool.

[Icebreaker]

(he is trying to say you blow)

[Andreas the Wise]

Well, I thought we were fine MCS but Babs thinks there's no way we can have the same leader and not be the same colour ....
Equally, being the same colour makes us too big. Benkern, Council thoughts?

[b3n|<3r|\|]

It's a toss up. I think it's an issue best side-stepped than risked. However, if it were to come to the Council, I reckon it's more likely than not that they'll allow the colour-merge... but later on, there may be difficulties, and other members may not like it.

[Jess]

It's a toss up. I think it's an issue best side-stepped than risked. However, if it were to come to the Council, I reckon it's more likely than not that they'll allow the colour-merge... but later on, there may be difficulties, and other members may not like it.

Jeremy

*shudders*

[Ari Rahikkala]

But do we *want* a colour merge? Because, you know, I don't.

[Kaiser Hasan I]

I don't either. Alot.

How is it that the MCS gets to dictate this?

[Jess]

Spangle...

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Ok, then what does Babs have to do with anything?

[Jess]

What?

[Andreas the Wise]

Babs is like Jeremy, an MCS member who's well aware of the regulations and not afraid to bring them up.

[b3n|<3r|\|]

Well... they know the ones the Council has used against them anyway. :P

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Well as far as I can see its only "babs" who is opposed to Shireroth and Babkha retaining their colours separately. And if babs is not a council member, I don't consider his opinion of this issue to be of any relevance.

[Jacobus Loki]

Calling it a YAMO instead of a country............

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Hmm not a bad idea....

[Aurangzeb Khan]

Sharing a dynasty does not constitute a common nationhood - the empire of Charles V was a multi-national pan-European affair more akin to a proto-European Union than an actual unitary Kingdom or Empire. The Kingdoms of Scotland and England did not cease to be independent of each other when King James came south to London, indeed under his son they even managed to fight a succession of wars against each other. Similarly the Irish Free State established after the Irish War of Independence was an independent entity even though it retained for a time the British Monarch.

A YAMO broadly based on the Commonwealth of Nations (Former British Commonwealth) might be the best way forward.

[Gman Russell]

Boo, no merger at all. Ever. Boooo *throws cabbage*

[Kaiser Hasan I]

alright lets all go through this again. There is NO intention for a merger, AT ALL.

[Gman Russell]

Ok, just making sure...

[Jess]

How about not the same color?

Would y'all not shit yourself then?

[Gman Russell]

How about we just have the two seperate completely, I like that idea.

[Jess]

How about we work something so our Kaiser can rule Babkha?

[Andreas the Wise]

We're back to this again, are we ....

Hasan, what's the situation now Ric's returned? Has he officially abdicated in your favour or not?

[Aurangzeb Khan]

The Shah is going to see how his health progresses. If all be well he will resume his reign, if not he will abdicate, most likely now in favour of our gracious Kaiser. Until that decision is made, Hasan is Regent.

[Gman Russell]

How about we stop starting our sentances with 'How about'?