Question regarding Information and Security

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:31 am

Is there any law or decree about what gets access into any confidential forums, or is it purely tradition? I cannot find any.

For example, would a Kaiser always have access to SHINE, SEP, and the like, (Or whatever is necessary for a Kaiser to be informed about the state of the nation) or is it possible for a Kaiser to be excluded from said forums?

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:40 am

I was Kaiser three times and never had access to the SEP, so that should tell you something.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:08 am

Really!? Wow, well that answers my question. The Kaiser should in all cases be guarenteed to get access to all secret forums. Of course, there's the question about how exactly it would be able to guarentee it. I would love to write up a bill, but is it legal for the Landsraad to grant a right to the Kaiser? I know that it may be redundant, but you know me and my stickling for non-common law.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:11 am

I don't think a temporary official should gain access to our most important areas just because he's Kaiser. It should only be the people who are most... something.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:13 am

Yeah, but we shouldn't ever have a Kaiser we can't trust with the security of the nation.

Thta is their job, after all.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:16 am

There are people who would be wonderful Kaisers in many respects, but that's one area I'm wary of. I know this isn't the United States, but just to give a relevant example, the President has relatively low security clearance in the scale of things, and gets filtered reports from his intelligence organs.

osmose1000 · Post by **osmose1000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:18 am

There's no guarentee that someone trustworthy will be chosen to succede. Access to restricted fora should be given out on a case-by-case basis.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:53 am

While there may be no guarentee, that's not the point. The Kaiser is meant to be an absolute ruler, regardless of who runs the position. For example, if I had become Kaiser, I would have been just as justified to be an absolute ruler as Erik is now as Kaiser, regardless of the community's concerns.

Unless you somehow mean that the Kaiser isn't the absolute authority of the nation. Which is an entirely different beast altogether.

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:08 am

SEP?

Secrets within secrets ... just when I'd got SHINE figured out...

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:21 am

Secret Evil Plans. Self explanatory.

And actually, it's less secret than SHINE, I believe.

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:51 am

So it goes:

???>SHINE>SEP>IAC>???

Right? Or do you have to shoot me now?

Conglacio · Post by **Conglacio** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:57 am

Kiasers are tempory, and are bought in for the prpose of running the place, not doing sectret evil stuff.

Erik, and who ever it is that heads SHINE should, between them, be the one who decides.

Kaiser Letifer II · Post by **Kaiser Letifer II** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:06 am

Kaiser should be given access to everything. if we can't trust a Kaiser with access to everything.. they should not be Kaiser... Period. I think Fax not having access to stuff was an oversight, it happens. Hell, till recently, I didn't have access to stuff...

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:07 am

Kaisers are NOT temporary. They are meant to rule until they resign. Just because all Kaisers rule only for three months are so does not mean that they are necessarily temporary. Through the spirit of the law, the Kaiser is anything BUT temporary.

Erik is not the soul of the nation. Nor should any one person. Shireroth's community is the soul of the nation, and we should not go against it by creating a system in which the [i:3jl4gym]absolute[/i] ruler of our nation is not the one with the power. If we cannot trust the Kaiser, who can we trust?

Having situations in which the most significant leader of our nation cannot get his info will just lead to incidents like we had in Menelmacar regarding secrecy, except not really, but it's the closest thing I could think of for comparison.

Post by **Scott of Hyperborea** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:14 pm

Fax? I KNOW I saw you in SEP when you were Kaiser last. Maybe someone didn't let in your Kaiser login, but that's just because your other login was already there.

The Kaiser has to have access to SEP. First, ze's an admin. Second, if someone didn't give zir access, ze would be well within zir rights to just order someone involved to give it to zir. Third, we would be an idiot to appoint anyone as Kaiser who we didn't totally trust. Fourth, the Kaiser is really the one who should be authorizing particularly devious and dangerous manuevers in the first place; certainly anything that might provoke war needs to go by zir. Finally, the Kaiser by law needs to be a single citizen, so we have less reason to worry about them betraying us to somewhere else.

Considering recent events, however, it might be worthwhile to propose a bill saying the Steward should also only be a single citizen; after all, the Steward can become acting Kaiser on a moment's notice.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:32 pm

Good point, Scott.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:32 pm

I was referring to the Lacrymosas and Mog, not Semisa.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:41 pm

If a Kaiser can only be a single citizen, that changes things a bit.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:47 pm

Indeed, through the charter, decree, and lawbook, the Kaiser is required to be a single citizen. (hah, redundant, but it works)

AngelGuardian93 · Post by **AngelGuardian93** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:09 pm

Kaiser should get SEP access, but the steward is iffy. Never really finalized. An excellent bill to put before the Landsraad.

Conglacio · Post by **Conglacio** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:14 pm

sorry, forgot they have to be single citizens...also, I guess I must be going democratic in my old age...oh gods kill me!

AngelGuardian93 · Post by **AngelGuardian93** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:15 pm

*sky darkens*

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