Treaty with USSRAT

[Liam conToketi]

I've put the treaty-in-a-can before them, and it needs Landsraad approval. They meet all the requirements and are all-around nice blokes. Please refer to the USSRAT Discussion and the USSRAT Website and Forums.

[hypatias mom]

As long as we don't have to subscribe to their political or economic systems, or to support them should they find themselves in a micronational war, I have no objection to a treaty of friendship with USSRAT. Yes, they seem to be alright to interact with, and they do have an interesting premise for their nation. Yes, go with it.

[Erik Mortis]

Someone doesn't like the dirty, godless commies..

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Yeah I hate terrorists too! Oh wait, sorry wrong eternal enemy. Better dead than red!

[Jacobus Loki]

These "Commies" are some of the most inventive folks I've seen in a long time. Remember even Molossia was communist once.

Their graphics are very good, in my less-than -earned opinion. This could be an opening to the German speaking community.

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Sorry, was using Babkhan sarcasm. As a former PRNSE'er I can validate that communist micronations can be quite productive. Especially "People's commune No. 343 which has listed as most productive post manufacturer this year!"

[Erik Mortis]

Every sector needs at least one commie state.

[Jonas]

Commies aren't too bad, like most of the Americans think. The idea (theory) was good, but Lenin and the others used it on the wrong way.
I think that the feeling that Europeans have now against Americans isn't a lot better then how they thought/think about commies.

But: I don't hate you, Americans!

[Erik Mortis]

And I don't hate you... Anyways.. I'm a Californian.

[hypatias mom]

And that makes all the difference.......

[Erik Mortis]

She speaks the truth.

[Andreas the Wise]

Actually, Lenin wasn't all that bad, it was Stalin ... or at least that's the impression I got from Animal Farm.

Now, Marxism as opposed to communism is a very different matter ...

[Jonas]

Actually, Lenin wasn't all that bad, it was Stalin ... or at least that's the impression I got from Animal Farm.

Now, Marxism as opposed to communism is a very different matter ...

Ow no, there you make a mistake. Lenin was evil... Stalin was evil... and that other gut (Trotski?) was dead begore he got the change to become evil...

Lenin was the one who killed democracy. That's why I love him (not)

[Liam conToketi]

Personally, I'm for Democratic Socialism. Communism is sound in theory, but there's just no way it could be applied to today's large countries...

[Rudolf Höhnli]

Rather Lenin was the one who killed monarchy of russia. But ok, he was evil. This was why his family was killed by soldiers of the czar. All in all socialism isn't socialism. For example the socialism of soviet was'nt the socialism of Karl Marx, but sovietsocialism perverted marxism. Player of ASSRAZ aren't commies, I think. ASSRAZ is rather a satire. But in Germany's micronationalism there are some realy commies. Sometimes they cry against ASSRAZ and everytime they cry against Mr. Höhnli.

[Erik Mortis]

Wanna barrow my Shrink Ray make them small.

[Kaiser Hasan I]

never mind.

[Jonas]

Rather Lenin was the one who killed monarchy of russia. But ok, he was evil. This was why his family was killed by soldiers of the czar. All in all socialism isn't socialism. For example the socialism of soviet was'nt the socialism of Karl Marx, but sovietsocialism perverted marxism. Player of ASSRAZ aren't commies, I think. ASSRAZ is rather a satire. But in Germany's micronationalism there are some realy commies. Sometimes they cry against ASSRAZ and everytime they cry against Mr. Höhnli.

Lenikilled the monarchy, thousands of people where killed and the democratic 'Sovjets' (little parliaments in whole the country) that where created after the dead of the czar got abolished.
Read 1984, from George Orwell, and you see what the reasons and goals of the revolution of Lenin where.

[Rudolf Höhnli]

I wont come to Lenin's defence. I gave just the psychological reason. When Lenin was a child he was kindly, heartily and very humorous. Then his brother was executed, becoause he planned to kill the czar. Thenceforwards Lenin had never laughed again. He became rigorously and ruthless.

[Andreas the Wise]

Maybe it was Trotsky, not Lennin ... which one was represented by Snowball ... its been so long since I studied this in Grade 9.

[Erik Mortis]

So you say Lenin was in search of revenge against the Czar?

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Napoleon was Stalin, The old Boar was Marx, Snowball was Trotsky, the old man was the Czar, the horse was the proletariat, the crow was the clergy,

But Orwell wasn't a fool. Animal Farm was an allegory for ANY revolution, not just the Russian revolution.

[Andreas the Wise]

Ok, substitute in Trotsky for all my previous references to Lenin. I knew the rest of them ...

[Jonas]

I wont come to Lenin's defence. I gave just the psychological reason. When Lenin was a child he was kindly, heartily and very humorous. Then his brother was executed, becoause he planned to kill the czar. Thenceforwards Lenin had never laughed again. He became rigorously and ruthless.

You can't really blame the czar that he eecuted people who wanted to kill him

[Erik Mortis]

I ought read that book.

[Jacobus Loki]

I think the intent is to explain, not exonerate.

And I sense that USSRAT in it's heart are Groucho-Marxists, and so I call them Comrades and brothers

see: http://www.shireroth.org/shirewiki/Grou ... xist_Party

[Rudolf Höhnli]

In German micronationalism exists three kinds of socialist nations. First the confident socialists who belive in this philosophy. They to discuss socialism, communism and marxism in detail. They spend a lot of time with discussions about such topics. Secondly, realistic simulations. The player try to create a historical model. Last but not least the satirical micronations for example ASSRAZ. It underlines the amusing aspect of socialism. So you can't realy debate a ideology of socialism with ASSRAZ.

[Erik Mortis]

Kinda like you can't really argue an issue of republican government in Shireroth.

[Andreas the Wise]

I thought it sounded satirical ... if you say it actually is, then I say, definitely, give them the treaty. And Rudolf, you might like to check out the Jokerdom on Spangle's list ...

[hypatias mom]

Just looking at the name--appending "at the Zoo" to it gives us the clear indication it isn't a seriously marxist country. I agree--let's enact a treaty of friendship between our two countries.