Do we wanna weigh in on this?

[Jess]

Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II! Loki II!

[Maksym Hadjimehmetov]

Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle! Belgian Waffle!

... I can scream that out as much as I want, but it doesn't mean I'll get one in the near future. Much like Loki II as Kaiser, dare I say!

[Jess]

No, its meant to support our Kaiser, the one and only:

Loki II!

[Harvey Steffke]

Harvey Steffke Attorney at law.

What.

But yeah, popping out of the mists of time (on totally related business to Shireroth) to support Jayatar. Some of his pro like the Grand Archive were lacking in staff but not lacking in heart. If you guys are serious about taking advantage of your current activity and trying to turn Shireroth into a world power like it used to be rather than a small isolated country in a shrinking group of friends, someone with big plans like Hesam has is pretty much the way to go.

No offense Jacobus, but you seem a bit too wrapped up in the spirit of claiming the position of Kaiser without actually having any real plans of what to do with the nation if you managed to win.

[Andreas the Wise]

Alright,
1. Return of rightful MCS lands to Shireroth

2. Review and study possibilities of establishing an economy

3. Breaking new ground into Micronations.net if it has popular support.

4. Working on my concept for a "Mutual Emergency Activity Treaty" an initiative where close neighbours would ensure they help with forum activity during slow periods

5. A possible virtual environment for Shireroth depending on popular support and cost

6. A public relations initiative which would send diplomats to new countries for support and old countries for allies. Only through public image can Shireroth expect to gain new citizens, and new citizens the best ones.

7. My personal project is going to be working on a comprehensive history of Shireroth, going through all the old threads, essays and books and coming up with some ideas regarding it.

8. Bringing old Apollo culture back in certain forms to honour them. Perhaps a County of Jasonia or Audentor

9. Organising the militaries of Shireroth to be premier in the sector, establishing a new and vital stick to back the diplomatic initiatives while still respecting traditions over anything else.

10. The reintroduction of the Charter

11. Establishing a dedicated legal eagle, someone who will be the legal expert on Shirerothian law.

12. Taking those laws and making them the standard for other nations to follow.

13. Updating the site and forums

As a supporter of Jayatar, I feel it fair for me to comment. All in all, I'm quite happy with what he wants to do, 2, 6, 7 and 8 (CoD is so addictive, if Shireroth doesn't start doing serious research into Jasonia soon I may well get Gralus to. Just need to get on the good side of the Zindarians ...). As High Priest of Sakat how can I not support 7? But I must raise the point, so my loyalties are clear, about 1. I fully support Shireroth getting it's old land back, EXCEPT where that land is the one Gralus has. I know Gralus hasn't been friends with Shireroth as long as Babkha, but Hesam, how would Babkha feel if Shirithian land to get back included half of Eura? And I counsel caution in obtaining too much land too fast. But where nations are happy to negotiate, I'm happy to support 1.

And thanks Yvain, though I'm really not sure I'd be suitable at the moment. Both for the reason that I'm not finished developing Gralus yet - not by a long shot, and just because (as I've always said), my primary loyalties are there, though my loyalties to Shireroth are certainly my second ones, and very high at that.

And Harvey's here! If you're going to stay around a bit, I'd love to ask you some questions on Jasonian history and how magic fitted into it ... it's starting to look likely that, too a degree, I can get Gralan and Apollonian history to actually fit together ...

[Erik Mortis]

Harvey.... I see.

I don't see how a desire to expand foreign affairs should effect the Charter. To be honestly, I'd rather see it reinstated without change, as it stands. I see no need for it to be amended. Especially since it was only suspended, not dissolved. So it's amending would still require it to be brought back and done by the proper channels.

[Kaiser Jayatar]

Good to see you Harvey, its been a long time, I sincerely hope you stop by more often. As for the charter, I suppose my point was that its nature would not be my exclusive command. A charter should be agreed upon by the Landsraad, so if in the end, everyone is happy with the way it is, I suggest we don't fix what isn't broken.

As for the land issue, well, any expansion would be done using my previous technique, and as I said elsewhere, my loyalty goes to Shireroth first even if it comes down to picking between Shireroth and Babkha. Although I would do everything in my power to ensure that didn't happen, or if it did, ended with both nations prospering.

[Jess]

What do you mean by returning rightful lands to Shireroth?

[Kaiser Jayatar]

ie the lands that Shireroth has historically owned. Or does this interfere with your citizenships elsewhere Jess?

[Jonas]

ie the lands that Shireroth has historically owned. Or does this interfere with your citizenships elsewhere Jess?

May I remember you that a lot of your 'followers' are living in nations that are on historical lands of Shireroth.

[Kaiser Jayatar]

You don't need to remind me of that. If you recall, I am generally able to come up with solutions which avoid dispute, its the whole reason I recieved a FNORD for diplomacy in this type of situation. But once again, I will state the fact that its my job to get things done which the population wants accomplished. If citizens vote not to have Shireroth expand, I'm not going to do that.

But you didn't answer my question.

[Liam conToketi]

AH! So which are you going to do? Follow through with your agenda? Or only do so when the population agrees with you? If you need to change what you believe is right to win support, then there's something wrong.

[Kaiser Jayatar]

I will explain further once my question has been answered. Since my loyalty has been called into question, why shouldn't my opponents? Are they acting in the best interests of Shireroth? or of Gralus?

[Liam conToketi]

I have ceased questioning your loyalty. Yes, it is unnerving, but that is not of my concern.

But in response, who are you talking about mentioning Gralus? Myself? Might I remind you that more Gralans are supporting you than Loki (Jess isn't official yet)? I'll admit, yes, Gralus has a lot of influence on my decision to back Loki, but my countrymen can say the same (Andreas, don't make me quote you off our forums), and I'm sure the three of us are thinking in the best interests of both of our nations. How would Gralus gain from thinking only of ourselves at the expense of Shireroth? It is politically advantageous to think and act mutually (although, what is the advantage is why we are split). We get enough crap from the micronational community for the merger.

Questions?

[Yvain Wintersong]

This is why multiple citizenships scare me.

[Kaiser Jayatar]

That is my point. Babkha has no more influence in Shireroth than Gralus, Cyberia or Antica. If I'm going to be put to task for my background, then half the nation may as well line up beside me. I was using Gralus as an example for the very reason that many of my supporters hold citizenship there, to avoid the finger pointing to the opposition that my detractors so often stoop to.

And ofcourse these are considerations which have to be made by any Kaiser who wishes to succeed in office. The reason why I was able to gain Eura for Babkha was simply because the parties involved wished to assist and benefited from it as a result. If in the case of Shireroth, the parties involved do not wish to give up land, or there is no domestic support for expansion, I won't press the matter. That's just common sense and has nothing to do with your attempt to mark me as "indecisive". I can present the concepts and a way to achieve them, but if there is no interest in seeing them through, that cannot be helped. That's the nature of an administrative platform, very basic stuff.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

Technically the GSO was created by a Aerliger and a Novasolumite but I'll let that pass.

[Andreas the Wise]

Technically the GSO was created by a Aerliger and a Novasolumite but I'll let that pass.

But even more technically don't we not mention it here in case Malarbor smites those who say the foul name aloud?

[Kaiser Doran II]

Some additional initiatives I've come up with:

- A Video "Introduction To Shireroth" something to help people nationalize which gives an overview of the basics of Shireroth, complete with humour.

- Looking at what the chances would be of a recruitment drive. I don't want the nation overwhelmed with new people who aren't acquainted with Shireroth, but an initiative where new Shirerothians are mentored by experienced citizens might be an interesting idea.

- I also want to attempt to bring back some of the older traditions of Shireroth I remember. While I was away from micronations most of the oldies left. In most cases it was for personal reasons or life related, but in some cases I believe people left simply because they believed everything had been done. I want to approach Shireroth with the aim of folding the new in with the old and creating an atmosphere in the forums which is both familiar and new. If people like Scott, Harvey, Henry Siverhaus and others are still marginally active, It couldn't hurt to possibly create a reunion party of some kind. Perhaps in Tymaria City?


- While I know that Shireroth is rather put off by Micronations.net, they've got some ideas related to infrastructure which are interesting. These could be approached through a Shirerothian means like story writing etc...


Regardless of whether I win or not, I'm going to approach the nation with all of my ideas. They may not be implemented, and they would stand a better chance if I was Kaiser, but in case I'm not, its still worth a try.

[Jess]

I like your ideas ! But, these are a few questions I have:

1: Would you devout all of your micronational time to Shireroth and its external affairs
2: NEVER Question the Authority of Malarbor
3: Appoint a reasonable steward, not one of your cronies
4: Screw Babkha
5: Hate Camels, but love Mangos

that is all

[Andreas the Wise]

Um, I wouldn't call Jacobus, or Harold, one of his 'cronies' ...

[Prodigy Almighty]

Also, I don't think he'd "Screw Babkha" and "Hate Camels" entirely... If I was up for Kaisership, and I left Gralus to do it, I wouldn't "Screw Gralus" and "Hate..." uh... "Whatever We Love In Gralus"... er, yeah... You know what I mean... He may have given up his citizenship and given us reason to believe that he will care about Shireroth first, but we can't expect him to sever all ties and totally reverse his opinion on a nation he spent a good portion of his micronational career in.

[Kaiser Doran II]

Shireroth and Babkha have more to gain as friends than as enemies, and certainly not enemies based off of a reactionary response by me. Currently their Grand Vizier is in the midst of taking me to task for leaving, that's fine, calmer heads will prevail. Shireroth was a friend of Babkha under Erik, and it will be a friend of Babkha under me as well. Just as Shireroth will be a good friend of a great many other nations.

[Kaiser Mortisberg I]

"Under Me"

You mean under Mortisberg!

[Erik Mortis]

*sighs*

Speak more of this Video you speak of.. it has intrigued me...

[Andreas the Wise]

Shireroth and Babkha have more to gain as friends than as enemies, and certainly not enemies based off of a reactionary response by me. Currently their Grand Vizier is in the midst of taking me to task for leaving, that's fine, calmer heads will prevail. Shireroth was a friend of Babkha under Erik, and it will be a friend of Babkha under me as well. Just as Shireroth will be a good friend of a great many other nations.

Is Ben Gray the Grand Vizier, or is it Aradashir? I've never kept up with Babkhan politics ...

[Yvain Wintersong]

Harvey Steffke Attorney at law.

A Harvey Birdman reference, isn't it?

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Hmmm....I support all of those except the following (and a few that sound kinda like fluff so I don't have an opinion either way):

1. Return of rightful MCS lands to Shireroth

Honestly, by any objective measure we already have too much land compared to every other country. Not to mention most of our counties are unoccupied and cultureless. Working for MCS land just prevents people from focusing on meaningful things.

2. Review and study possibilities of establishing an economy

That doesn't work and never will work. The economy you designed for Babkha is better than most other economies I've seen, and hasn't had a post in its forum for two months.

5. A possible virtual environment for Shireroth depending on popular support and cost

Everyone's fawning over the Hanoverians for making this. I think it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Once people get over the novelty of being in some MMORPG environment, there's not much we can do there that we can't do on a bulletin board fifty times more conveniently.

6. A public relations initiative which would send diplomats to new countries for support and old countries for allies. Only through public image can Shireroth expect to gain new citizens, and new citizens are the best ones.

One day, people are going to figure out that this sort of intermicronational diplomacy is hopelessly naive. If we send someone to, say, Alexandria and sign a treaty of alliance with them, then we'll gain the right to say we're allied with Alexandria and nothing else. If we go to Tellia and tell them we're great guys, we'll gain the right to say Tellia likes us, and nothing else. In the absence of meaningful wars or competition that these countries will help us in, their alliance or support means nothing. A better way to do diplomacy is the sort of thing Yarad I was trying to set up with the old DiploCorps - trying to build personal and cultural connections between two countries in the way that Shireroth and Babkha (or Shireroth and Antica) currently have and Shireroth and Alexandria currently don't.

8. Bringing old Apollo culture back in certain forms to honour them. Perhaps a County of Jasonia or Audentor

Shireroth doesn't own the territories of Jasonia or Audentior. There's a County of New Jasonia in Kildare, but I don't think anyone's done anything with it. I would have vague objections to a County of Audentior on the grounds that Audentior's not some fiefdom for Shireroth to do what it pleases with. I dunno how Harvey feels. At the very least, the Apollo Foundation would have to be consulted.

9. Organising the militaries of Shireroth to be premier in the sector, establishing a new and vital stick to back the diplomatic initiatives while still respecting traditions over anything else.

What the heck does it mean to organize a fictional military? If we fought external recwars according to some standard system, this might make sense, but we don't, so it doesn't. I would oppose any attempt to get us into more recwars.

12. Taking those laws and making them the standard for other nations to follow.

Huh?

[Kaiser Jayatar]

1. Return of rightful MCS lands to Shireroth
Good, then there will be plenty of debate when the time comes.


2. Review and study possibilities of establishing an economy

The Babkhan economy stopped because it isn´t automated, and as Liam Sinclair pointed out, Economies only work so long as a dedicated individual manages it. I´ve already spoken with And about the possibility of an automated Bank and getting someone to create it.

5. A possible virtual environment for Shireroth depending on popular support and cost

I don´t like the Hanoverians approach to virtual environments either. The virtual palace I created prior to them was a variant concept of a 3D Browser. Very easy to operate, and allows for another method of recruitment as users pass through and view pages as they travel. I personally agree it´s a passing fad, but it can´t hurt.

6. A public relations initiative which would send diplomats to new countries for support and old countries for allies. Only through public image can Shireroth expect to gain new citizens, and new citizens are the best ones.

Your diplo-corps is basically the idea. I didn´t mean treaty signing, I meant diplomacy in the old fashion where people would actually visit the forums of other nations. Before I left Babkha I had started some basic statistical information about Babkha over a 7 year trend, I will be doing the same for Shireroth and seeing what comes up. I suppose diplomacy isn´t the best term, let´s say "Making friends and making them Shirerothian"

8. Bringing old Apollo culture back in certain forms to honour them. Perhaps a County of Jasonia or Audentor

The Apollo Foundation would have to be consulted. And I was only using Audentior as an example. The basic reason behind this proposal is that yes, the Apollo Foundation has preserved the culture, but its also put it out of sight. I´m not suggesting we make these former nations subservient to Shireroth, the aim is that their history and presence is increased in Shireroth. Mostly because Shireroth is the sole remaining representation of that age. Perhaps each Duchy could be given the "Spirit" of one of the former Apollo nations as a deity?

9. Organising the militaries of Shireroth to be premier in the sector, establishing a new and vital stick to back the diplomatic initiatives while still respecting traditions over anything else.
etrospect. Since there is very little for micronational militaries to do, there is little point in developing them or changing them.

12. Taking those laws and making them the standard for other nations to follow.

Basically creating a legal code which can be used as a precedent for other micronations. Most micronations have constitutions and royal decrees etc... But there has been very little work done in actually codifying laws in micronations. If Shireroth were to have an established legal code it would set a standard for other micronations who would also likely use our code as theirs.

[Kaiser Mortisberg I]

Your Not Kaiser though!