Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
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- Jacobus Loki
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Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Well, lapsing into public opinion mode, what should be our response to the Affair?
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Jacobus Loki
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
If MNN won't relent, we surely have enough people to institute something like this on our own. We won't have to abide by their unreasonableness, either. And we have enough people from other micronations here to give us a look at other nations' news as well.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Hey, I think theres only one option, but no one else voted for it ... let Malarbor sort it out!
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Indeed, let Malarbor sort it out.Andreas the Wise wrote:Hey, I think theres only one option, but no one else voted for it ... let Malarbor sort it out!
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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- Liam conToketi
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
You just don't want to boycott the MNN, Andreas...
I say let the sock puppets do their work!
I say let the sock puppets do their work!
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Oh, it's not that exciting, but Malarbor in action ... 
The character Andreas the Wise is on indefinite leave.
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
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Behmanesh FarzAn
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
There's a much simpler solution:
1. Remove or amend the posts on KZFO, MWG and AL about piracy, as these are why they've been de-listed (they're an admission of ToS violations and render MNN liable over any KZFO copyright violations, real or perceived). Remove these, and MNN will be able to reinstate them on the feed.
2. Nick either apologises for his immature behaviour over the incident, or waits out the 20 days or so that his ban has left.
See my response on the main thread about this.
1. Remove or amend the posts on KZFO, MWG and AL about piracy, as these are why they've been de-listed (they're an admission of ToS violations and render MNN liable over any KZFO copyright violations, real or perceived). Remove these, and MNN will be able to reinstate them on the feed.
2. Nick either apologises for his immature behaviour over the incident, or waits out the 20 days or so that his ban has left.
See my response on the main thread about this.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Those steps were already taken before the whole de-listing and ban.
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Behmanesh FarzAn
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Stop fibbing. You're continuing to insult the INS and MNN administrators and threatening boycotts and DoS attacks, and you haven't removed the offending posts from the MWG.
- Nick Foghorn Leghorn
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Why are posts offensive? Since when does news and/or marketing efforts count as "unfavorable" news? Who gets to decide?
That's it, I'm done with the MNN.
That's it, I'm done with the MNN.
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Behmanesh FarzAn
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
The one that I quoted earlier. Perhaps rather than ranting, a little reading would be in order. MNN gets to decide because we don't harbour the pretension that we're above the law. The posts violate the MNN feed Terms of Service, given that they render us potentially legally liable for promoting your self-confessed piracy.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
The MNN is popular, easy to use, but hardly indispensable. I'm sure that the ownersould be just as pleased to be rid of "troublemakers" and lower the level of debate. (Debate is currently being curtailed by the simple expedient of erasing it.)
Can't have pesky "freedom of speech", now, can we?
Can't have pesky "freedom of speech", now, can we?
Jacobus Loki
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Behmanesh FarzAn
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Stop dressing this up to be a freedom of speech issue: it's a simple case of legal liability.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
As I see it now, the freedom of speech issue revolves around the MNN-decision to ban discussion about the issue on MNN where it belongs.
Are you speaking as Grand Vizier or MNN-admin.?
As Steward, having read His Niftyness' instructions, I am walking away from the issue, for now, at least.
This conversation needs to take place somewhere, as it is now a Banned Subject at MNN.
Maybe MNO would oblige?
Are you speaking as Grand Vizier or MNN-admin.?
As Steward, having read His Niftyness' instructions, I am walking away from the issue, for now, at least.
This conversation needs to take place somewhere, as it is now a Banned Subject at MNN.
Maybe MNO would oblige?
Jacobus Loki
Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
I'm writing with no particular hat on. The matter is closed on MNN because it can be discussed elsewhere and Nick was not willing to be respectful over the issue.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
I think we are running into cross-culture problems regarding such terms as "respectful".
Probably best handled off the forum.
ed. for spelling
Probably best handled off the forum.
ed. for spelling
Jacobus Loki
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
I don't know if I would say that Nick's conduct is necessarily how all Americans would define "respectful", if you're trying to contrast American notions of respect with, say, Australian ones. I do think it was quite tyrranical and stupid of Liam to declare the discussion finished and suppress debate--and there, I am willing to make a cultural contrast. The majority of Anticans are Americans, and I think that is why being told that the issue is no longer to be discussed and that we are to accept what is largely perceived as an unjust decision without further argument is so hateful to us.
This whole affair is a nasty business, and it would seem to me that Liam's unwillingness to discuss the issue any further is an overreaction to Foghorn's (I think, rather mild, considering the circumstances) rudeness. I'm not entirely sure whose argument (that is to say, where argument was not marred by personal attacks or simple refusal to talk anymore about it) was the correct one; now, I think, we shall never really know.
This whole affair is a nasty business, and it would seem to me that Liam's unwillingness to discuss the issue any further is an overreaction to Foghorn's (I think, rather mild, considering the circumstances) rudeness. I'm not entirely sure whose argument (that is to say, where argument was not marred by personal attacks or simple refusal to talk anymore about it) was the correct one; now, I think, we shall never really know.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
I believe particular onus was placed on the comparison to the term nazi. The next time one gets into a tiff with him, try "fascist" or even "Bolshevik", see how those work. 
Jacobus Loki
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Nazi was a perfectly applicable comparison. He was attempting (and succeeding, by the way) to filter the media in a manner that allowed only certain viewpoints to be expressed, namely those that aren't mine. Perhaps I jumped on Godwin's back too soon, but even after apologizing, he wouldn't re-open debate, further proving his pig-headed, fascist ways.
But now we have a new system with technical, policy based, and quality superiority over the MNN. We just need to complete the process of getting the MNN sources to join.
But now we have a new system with technical, policy based, and quality superiority over the MNN. We just need to complete the process of getting the MNN sources to join.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
..............and making a link or two function........... 
Jacobus Loki
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- Nick Foghorn Leghorn
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
Do you have any idea how hard it is to set up a system as complex as this blind? I mean, we don't even have the documentation available anymore. Give me time and I'll give you working links in the little box. Everything else works.
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
I'm not complaining!
It is Awesome, already, and will only become more so!!
And I had no idea you were doing this blind.
It is Awesome, already, and will only become more so!!
And I had no idea you were doing this blind.
Jacobus Loki
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Re: Response to the KFZO-MNN-Nick the Awesome Affair
The links work in the main listing, don't they?
EDIT: The only problematic ones seem to be from the KZFO feed. Eh, I like to think of this as Disneyland. If at first you don't succeed, make it.
EDIT: The only problematic ones seem to be from the KZFO feed. Eh, I like to think of this as Disneyland. If at first you don't succeed, make it.
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