One of the proposed changes that my mom listed in the Kaiser's Court was reverting to the old form of feudalism. I strongly support this move and would be willing to write the legislation, with input from the other nobles. Though we will need to iron out the intricacies, the primary details to be included that I see right now are as follows:
* Reaffirm that only Dukes and Barons have votes in the Landsraad.
* Define the number of people required to form a Duchy and Barony, respectively.
* Define the number of votes given to Dukes and Barons.
* Define a mechanism for transitioning from the current system (new feudalism) to this one ("old" feudalism), ie, choosing who are the new * Dukes and Barons, and what the forum arrangements are going to be.
As with the old feudalism, dukes should get more votes than barons, but I can't remember what the ratio was, and I couldn't find it in the wiki. Also if I remember correctly, duchies had to have at least 3 people, and baronies had to have two, at least under the Feudal Holdings Act (which isn't in the wiki and probably got eaten by the ez-plague). Now, we may or may not want to bother with feudal holdings restrictions right now, and we may even want to have independent baronies, something I don't recall having in the old feudalism, to make sense of our low effective population right now (so that we don't end up with everyone in 2 or 3 duchies, or something like that) and our rich and varied cultures.
So, please come forward with your thoughts. I will try to write up and propose this legislation by early next week. If Wolvin would be so kind as to try to figure out who will be able to vote in the Landsraad (who is active, what constitutes a quorum, etc.), that would be great in smoothing along the process of getting this thing into law. Maybe once we have this (and other legislation) in the Landsraad we'll be in better shape to bring back our beloved Shireroth to her former glory and power.
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We might do a graduated approach, where we change to the old feudalism for political divisions, then once activity is nearly decent again, we restrict the votes in the Landsraad back to nobility only. That way when there are so few citizens, we don't lose a decent voting base. What if we set up a contingeny plan, where if there are fewer than, say, 10 or 15 active citizens, we have a direct democracy, otherwise we have the nobles vote? I really, really want to be able to go back to the old feudalism for our basic political divisions, regardless of the state of the Landsraad.
In my opinion, the unstable nature of our current feudalism is one of the big things feuling the lack of activity. With the old system, there were complaints that new people had little incentive to be active since they had no land of their own unless their baron or duke gave it to them, so the county-based system was proposed. There was also the hope, originally, that shifting alliances would foster activity, which it only did a little while also feuling political instability. The problem I find is that having a county of your own makes it feel like you should be active with it all the time, developing culture and posting for whatever reasons, while the reality is that most people can't or won't (for whatever reason) keep up the level of activity required to actually do something decent with their counties. It's my view that the guilt of not working on one's county would have a negative effect on one's general activity as well, since we put so much emphasis on the county in our last major political revisions. My hope is that we can reverse a lot of this.
Having the duchy or barony as the basic political unit will, hopefully, allow people to work on something collective and therefore feel less pressure to develop a culture all on their own. So they'll be more active. I hope.
I guess we'll see, won't we?
In my opinion, the unstable nature of our current feudalism is one of the big things feuling the lack of activity. With the old system, there were complaints that new people had little incentive to be active since they had no land of their own unless their baron or duke gave it to them, so the county-based system was proposed. There was also the hope, originally, that shifting alliances would foster activity, which it only did a little while also feuling political instability. The problem I find is that having a county of your own makes it feel like you should be active with it all the time, developing culture and posting for whatever reasons, while the reality is that most people can't or won't (for whatever reason) keep up the level of activity required to actually do something decent with their counties. It's my view that the guilt of not working on one's county would have a negative effect on one's general activity as well, since we put so much emphasis on the county in our last major political revisions. My hope is that we can reverse a lot of this.
Having the duchy or barony as the basic political unit will, hopefully, allow people to work on something collective and therefore feel less pressure to develop a culture all on their own. So they'll be more active. I hope.
I guess we'll see, won't we?
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I have an entirely different idea.
Divide the nobles into two tiers, the first would be the level formerly known as the Dukes, which would be referred to as Major Nobles. Barons and lesser, would be known as Minor Nobles.
The nation would be divided up into 5 divisions, known as Shires, with each Shire being assigned a Major noble by the Kaiser. After that point Succession would take over. The 5 shires would be Brookshire, Goldshire, Yardistan, Kildare and Elywnn. Border would be the old ones.
Major nobles would come in four flavors. Each one would be earned by the Major noble and have greater powers invested in them.
The basic level would be that of Earl. Which all major nobles would start as, whether they inherited the status or were appointed. This level would come with 1 vote in the Landsraad.
The next level up would be Marquess, and would come with 2 votes in the Landsraad.
The next would be Duke, with 3 votes.
And the final, grandest level would be Arch-Duke, with 4 votes.
Shires would be refered to by the title of the Major noble that rules. Such as Duchy of Brookshire, Earldom of Yardistan, etc.
The term Shire would be used as one would use acre, or hector to designate a area of land, and not the status of the land itself.
Minor nobles would start with Counts, which will be denizens of a Shire that have been given a county by their Major Noble. This title comes with no right or privilege outside of ruling a county.
With the approval of the Kaiser, a Major noble may promote a Count to the title of Baron. Barons get no vote in the Landsraad, but may speak in it.
The promotion of Major nobles, done by the Kaiser, will, or should, be based on the merit of the Noble. If the Kaiser wishes, it could be suggested that the number of citizens in a Shire influence the status of the noble.
It has been suggested that this may cause problems for the Praetor when statuses change. But promotions should not be an every week occurence, and as such the changes would be well documented and not so frequent as to be a problem. Also, precedures could be put in place requiring a noble to state the number of votes they have when they vote. Though, the Praetor could also look at the title of the noble.
Also, some may want the Barons to get a vote, but the smaller the Landsraad is, the better it will work. And you may ask about inactive Major Nobles. If a Major Noble is inactive without assigning an Emissary, they would either be replaced by the Kaiser, or their successor would be called. Not fair you may say. Well, it is. Status and title should be based on merit and ability, and willingness to do the job.
This would also greatly simplify the voting system in the Landsraad.
Yes, this would remove representative voting in the Landsraad. But this is an empire, or so history seems to say, so we should move away from a democratic model, which so many have told me is "evil".
This model would be a return to the simpler, older system. The original one actually. But would let Barons speak in the Landsraad. It would also return to a top down subdivision model, as opposed to the current bottom up model.
Further, this leads the way to some really cool social ideas I have had. Such as Houses and such.
Now, a little chart.
-Monarch-
Kaiser
-Major Nobles-
Arch-Duke (Arch-Duchess)
*4 votes
Duke (Duchess)
*3 votes
Marquess (Marchioness)
*2 votes
Earl (Earless?)
*1 vote
-Minor Nobles-
Count (Countess)
*0 votes, but may speak in Landsraad
Baron (Baroness)
*No Landsraad access
Mayor NA (city)
*Optional lower rung
Divide the nobles into two tiers, the first would be the level formerly known as the Dukes, which would be referred to as Major Nobles. Barons and lesser, would be known as Minor Nobles.
The nation would be divided up into 5 divisions, known as Shires, with each Shire being assigned a Major noble by the Kaiser. After that point Succession would take over. The 5 shires would be Brookshire, Goldshire, Yardistan, Kildare and Elywnn. Border would be the old ones.
Major nobles would come in four flavors. Each one would be earned by the Major noble and have greater powers invested in them.
The basic level would be that of Earl. Which all major nobles would start as, whether they inherited the status or were appointed. This level would come with 1 vote in the Landsraad.
The next level up would be Marquess, and would come with 2 votes in the Landsraad.
The next would be Duke, with 3 votes.
And the final, grandest level would be Arch-Duke, with 4 votes.
Shires would be refered to by the title of the Major noble that rules. Such as Duchy of Brookshire, Earldom of Yardistan, etc.
The term Shire would be used as one would use acre, or hector to designate a area of land, and not the status of the land itself.
Minor nobles would start with Counts, which will be denizens of a Shire that have been given a county by their Major Noble. This title comes with no right or privilege outside of ruling a county.
With the approval of the Kaiser, a Major noble may promote a Count to the title of Baron. Barons get no vote in the Landsraad, but may speak in it.
The promotion of Major nobles, done by the Kaiser, will, or should, be based on the merit of the Noble. If the Kaiser wishes, it could be suggested that the number of citizens in a Shire influence the status of the noble.
It has been suggested that this may cause problems for the Praetor when statuses change. But promotions should not be an every week occurence, and as such the changes would be well documented and not so frequent as to be a problem. Also, precedures could be put in place requiring a noble to state the number of votes they have when they vote. Though, the Praetor could also look at the title of the noble.
Also, some may want the Barons to get a vote, but the smaller the Landsraad is, the better it will work. And you may ask about inactive Major Nobles. If a Major Noble is inactive without assigning an Emissary, they would either be replaced by the Kaiser, or their successor would be called. Not fair you may say. Well, it is. Status and title should be based on merit and ability, and willingness to do the job.
This would also greatly simplify the voting system in the Landsraad.
Yes, this would remove representative voting in the Landsraad. But this is an empire, or so history seems to say, so we should move away from a democratic model, which so many have told me is "evil".
This model would be a return to the simpler, older system. The original one actually. But would let Barons speak in the Landsraad. It would also return to a top down subdivision model, as opposed to the current bottom up model.
Further, this leads the way to some really cool social ideas I have had. Such as Houses and such.
Now, a little chart.
-Monarch-
Kaiser
-Major Nobles-
Arch-Duke (Arch-Duchess)
*4 votes
Duke (Duchess)
*3 votes
Marquess (Marchioness)
*2 votes
Earl (Earless?)
*1 vote
-Minor Nobles-
Count (Countess)
*0 votes, but may speak in Landsraad
Baron (Baroness)
*No Landsraad access
Mayor NA (city)
*Optional lower rung
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The old system from when I first joined had Dukes with ten votes each, and they distributed them among their baronies accordingly, which usually meant a Duke had 8-6 votes and Barons around 2-4.
While I doubt this could work now, I do believe that limiting the Landsraad to basically five people and then tacking on a few whateverisabovebarons isn't going to help it continue to function. More people should have input IMO.
While I doubt this could work now, I do believe that limiting the Landsraad to basically five people and then tacking on a few whateverisabovebarons isn't going to help it continue to function. More people should have input IMO.
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I think the trend towards more democracy in the Landsraad is one we reverse at our peril. History has told us that Dukes aren't always the most qualified people, and back in the days before we lost all our activity people frequently complained that the Landsraad was the bottleneck in the nation's system because very few people could use it or felt like they had any power.
Perhaps Dukes should have more votes in the Landsraad than everyone else (maybe three for a Duke, one for a commoner) but to restrict the Landsraad to five people right when we're trying to convince more people to join and do stuff is counterproductive.
I also don't think that there's any point in having barons with as many as five dukes. Our population seems to hover between ten and twenty. If we have five dukes and each has only one baron (and they really should have more than one; part of a feudal system is that there are more people in lower ranks) that makes the majority of our population noble right there.
Either we should have fewer Dukes (only three) or remove Barons altogether. I think five nobles would be a good number if commoners were able to keep limited Landsraad access.
Wolvin's plan with the different ranks isn't entirely bad, but the names are too untraditional. Maybe Duke, Grand Duke, Archduke, and Mega-Duke?
Perhaps Dukes should have more votes in the Landsraad than everyone else (maybe three for a Duke, one for a commoner) but to restrict the Landsraad to five people right when we're trying to convince more people to join and do stuff is counterproductive.
I also don't think that there's any point in having barons with as many as five dukes. Our population seems to hover between ten and twenty. If we have five dukes and each has only one baron (and they really should have more than one; part of a feudal system is that there are more people in lower ranks) that makes the majority of our population noble right there.
Either we should have fewer Dukes (only three) or remove Barons altogether. I think five nobles would be a good number if commoners were able to keep limited Landsraad access.
Wolvin's plan with the different ranks isn't entirely bad, but the names are too untraditional. Maybe Duke, Grand Duke, Archduke, and Mega-Duke?
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We could always give commoners a voice in the Landsraad and no vote, or only one vote if nobles get several. That would (ideally) keep us slightly more democratic while still bringing our feudal structure back to stability.
My primary concern when figuring out who has how many votes is that if you have either a floating number of votes for a certain type of noble (ie, major nobles in Wolvin's system) or a floating number of voters (if we had inconsistent recording of which commoners were voting), it makes the Praetor's job a bit harder. It's more difficult to calculate quorum when you're just not sure how many people are allowed to vote, when people have gone inactive, etc. With a fixed number of duchies (like 3) and the dukes passing out votes as they wish to a limited number of barons, it's far easier to determine quorum.
What just occurred to me as a further compromise is that we might consider quorum only to matter with noble's votes (ie, more than half of the nobles must have voted or half of the votes allotted to the nobles must have been cast), and ignore the commoners' votes for quorum. They might simply weight the vote after the fact. This way the landsraad will still continue to function if none of the commoners gives a damn or all of them leave, and it still remains tied to the nobility and can't go forward if none of them care.
Is there any historical precident for this in a single body legislature? A bicameral system would be great, if only we had about 5 times as big a population as we do and bills got passed faster. *sigh*
My primary concern when figuring out who has how many votes is that if you have either a floating number of votes for a certain type of noble (ie, major nobles in Wolvin's system) or a floating number of voters (if we had inconsistent recording of which commoners were voting), it makes the Praetor's job a bit harder. It's more difficult to calculate quorum when you're just not sure how many people are allowed to vote, when people have gone inactive, etc. With a fixed number of duchies (like 3) and the dukes passing out votes as they wish to a limited number of barons, it's far easier to determine quorum.
What just occurred to me as a further compromise is that we might consider quorum only to matter with noble's votes (ie, more than half of the nobles must have voted or half of the votes allotted to the nobles must have been cast), and ignore the commoners' votes for quorum. They might simply weight the vote after the fact. This way the landsraad will still continue to function if none of the commoners gives a damn or all of them leave, and it still remains tied to the nobility and can't go forward if none of them care.
Is there any historical precident for this in a single body legislature? A bicameral system would be great, if only we had about 5 times as big a population as we do and bills got passed faster. *sigh*
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Your idea isn't that shocking, really. It's a pretty standard Shirithian solution. However, I tend to think that the Kaiser's omnipotence has dragged you all down, in times past...if anything, the people seem to be the ones who have the most fun with the nation, and want to keep it going...oftentimes, your leaders are very fatalistic, brooding people who are ready to go Ophelia on you at any time. If anything, you should be limiting the Kaiser(ess) to something of a chairperson-of-the-board, on equal terms with the Landsraad. Something similar to an actual, real-life constitutional monarchy.
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I guess I deserve that Ophelia crack, but seriously, I think Shireroth is stronger when all her citizens feel they have a stake in its health and direction. No leader can run a country alone, and no country functions well without some direction. I am not trying to impose my will on the country where it doesn't wish it. I am attempting to gauge people's desires for the country, and trying to make the changes needed and wanted.
By the way, I am glad you have not departed. You have a lot of good, interesting things to say, and contribute to the debates. I just wish I could persuade you to reimmigrate. I have even been told that double citizenships, while not encouraged, are not banned by the Republic of Antica. Anyway, thanks for your input.
By the way, I am glad you have not departed. You have a lot of good, interesting things to say, and contribute to the debates. I just wish I could persuade you to reimmigrate. I have even been told that double citizenships, while not encouraged, are not banned by the Republic of Antica. Anyway, thanks for your input.
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The old solution to the Kaiser problem was that revolutions were allowed and encouraged. When a Kaiser was doing an awful job and needed getting-rid-of, instead of just sitting around someone would start a revolution, everyone else would join up, and the Kaiser would realize things were hopeless and resign.
I think striking the parts of the lawbook that ban revolution would be an admirable solution that doesn't move us along the slippery slope to constitutional monarchy.
I think striking the parts of the lawbook that ban revolution would be an admirable solution that doesn't move us along the slippery slope to constitutional monarchy.
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I noticed the whole depression thing in kaisers as well, from Semisa when i first immigrated, to the most recent post of lament by our current Kaiseress.
I think its stems from a "president complex" of sorts.
they think the head of state has supreme power, therefore, when they become head of state and say "the whole nation will be at peace and happy"
and it doesnt happen, the disillusionment starts to kick in.
its really too bad.
Personally, I like having the Kaiser all powerfull, but citizens need to be aware of what we SAY is law, and how things actually work.
I think its stems from a "president complex" of sorts.
they think the head of state has supreme power, therefore, when they become head of state and say "the whole nation will be at peace and happy"
and it doesnt happen, the disillusionment starts to kick in.
its really too bad.
Personally, I like having the Kaiser all powerfull, but citizens need to be aware of what we SAY is law, and how things actually work.
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And yet, the illusion of an all-powerful ruler is a sword which cuts both ways. The citizens believe the Kaiser can and should do everything to make the nation great, and the Kaiser sometimes buys into that. However, without both the Kaiser and the people working together, the country cannot be strong and vigorous. Both sides need each other. An all-powerful ruler is an empty thing without the citizenry behind zie. Zie can find zirself a power of one if zie goes off in a direction alien to the country's wishes. That is why I try to assess the path the people of Shireroth wish to take and not strike out in a totally unwanted direction. I do not take the power of the throne for granted. Ever.
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I can only advise you, I cannot compel you. If you wish for Shireroth to survive, I urge you to give the people more power.
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Yet, Democracy in micronations is inherently unstable. And not what this nation is about.
I think people miss the point of my proposed system. If a Duke is not qualified for the job. They are not duke, earl, etc. It would be based on merit, and ability.
According to what I have read, the system worked well enough when it was just dukes in the early days. It was the introduction of barons and multiple votes per noble that began to bog down the system.
I proposed a simple solution to the system, that would work for the number of people we have. If we let everyone speak or vote, we should just call this a democracy and be done with it. And stop pretending we are a empire.
I think people miss the point of my proposed system. If a Duke is not qualified for the job. They are not duke, earl, etc. It would be based on merit, and ability.
According to what I have read, the system worked well enough when it was just dukes in the early days. It was the introduction of barons and multiple votes per noble that began to bog down the system.
I proposed a simple solution to the system, that would work for the number of people we have. If we let everyone speak or vote, we should just call this a democracy and be done with it. And stop pretending we are a empire.
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I have been reading this topic with some interest. Even though I am quiet new to Shireroth, I would like to express my opinions, if I may.
In order for any society to survive, you need to give the common people more power - but that power needs to have checks and balances to ensure that the will of the people does not contravene the security of the state.
Here is my suggestion: The Lansraad should be made into a two-tier legislature.
Anyone (including the Monarch) should be able to introduce 'initiatives' into debate, where citizens and 'eligible denziens' are able to debate it amongst themselves and vote (with a majority needed to win) to submit it to the Nobility for further debate.
The Nobility (where Dukes hold veto and voting rights and Barons hold voting rights only) futher debate and either dismiss or approve the initiative. Normal citizens can plead with their Dukes and Barons to hopefully vote a certain way.
If it passes both tiers, it then will be 'petitioned' to the Monarch for enactment into law. He/She can then approve or dismiss (veto) it. If she needs to change a small section of it, then it can be sent down to the Nobles or the 'Commons' for review.
This way, the Kaiser(ess) still remains the mainstay of authority where she has access to the opinions of the people, the nobility does not lose prestige and the citizenry participate more actively. On a side note, this proposal makes the legislative process more interesting, creating more debate on issues... and best of all, it is similar to an older style of feudalism.
There is a drawback though. Imperial Decrees can still be created by the Kaiser(ess), which of course has no checks or balances with the people. Although, if it ever came to that point, we may have an interesting time trying to work that out...
Just a thought...
In order for any society to survive, you need to give the common people more power - but that power needs to have checks and balances to ensure that the will of the people does not contravene the security of the state.
Here is my suggestion: The Lansraad should be made into a two-tier legislature.
Anyone (including the Monarch) should be able to introduce 'initiatives' into debate, where citizens and 'eligible denziens' are able to debate it amongst themselves and vote (with a majority needed to win) to submit it to the Nobility for further debate.
The Nobility (where Dukes hold veto and voting rights and Barons hold voting rights only) futher debate and either dismiss or approve the initiative. Normal citizens can plead with their Dukes and Barons to hopefully vote a certain way.
If it passes both tiers, it then will be 'petitioned' to the Monarch for enactment into law. He/She can then approve or dismiss (veto) it. If she needs to change a small section of it, then it can be sent down to the Nobles or the 'Commons' for review.
This way, the Kaiser(ess) still remains the mainstay of authority where she has access to the opinions of the people, the nobility does not lose prestige and the citizenry participate more actively. On a side note, this proposal makes the legislative process more interesting, creating more debate on issues... and best of all, it is similar to an older style of feudalism.
There is a drawback though. Imperial Decrees can still be created by the Kaiser(ess), which of course has no checks or balances with the people. Although, if it ever came to that point, we may have an interesting time trying to work that out...
Just a thought...
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from what i gathered, in theory, thats already half of what we have.
the front gate is where ANYONE, even non citizens, such as yourself, have input..
the actuall landsradd is where the laws happen and the kaiser is still the end all be all.
i agree with her highness, we can make this system work.
the front gate is where ANYONE, even non citizens, such as yourself, have input..
the actuall landsradd is where the laws happen and the kaiser is still the end all be all.
i agree with her highness, we can make this system work.
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ACE and P.h.D. in M.U.K.A.R.C.T.A.O.S.E.N.
"Blessed" of Melvin and High Preist of B00/\/\ism
ACE and P.h.D. in M.U.K.A.R.C.T.A.O.S.E.N.
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jamesharrison
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Braden Indianensis
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If you'll pardon my language, you all know damn well that the Landsraad hardly ever consults the Front Gate, if they can avoid it.
Antican Ambassador to Shireroth and Babkha
Former Speaker of the Assembly of the Republic of Antica
Reporter for the Antican Liberator
Elder Guard of the Order of the Vorpal Blade
Former Speaker of the Assembly of the Republic of Antica
Reporter for the Antican Liberator
Elder Guard of the Order of the Vorpal Blade
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Chrimigules
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Kaiseress Carol
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- Location: Northern California
Braden--
Why don't you just reimmigrate and be done with it? While we really love having you living here, and you are a very welcome presence, your period of citizenship was a very interesting and productive one. Please reconsider and rejoin us. (btw, you can keep your other citizenship. It's alright unless you want to be Kaiser or Steward.)
Why don't you just reimmigrate and be done with it? While we really love having you living here, and you are a very welcome presence, your period of citizenship was a very interesting and productive one. Please reconsider and rejoin us. (btw, you can keep your other citizenship. It's alright unless you want to be Kaiser or Steward.)
Kaiseress Carol
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