Imperial Decree #229: Dismissal of the Landsraad

Kaiser Alejian II · Post by **Kaiser Alejian II** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:18 pm

In keeping with the powers vested in me by the Charter, I am dismissing the Landsraad pending the Imperial review of it's active citizens, and as fitting punishment to it's lazy nobles. If they won't do anything, they don't deserve it. To be recalled when my review is completed.

Will any Admin please lock the Landsraad gates and bar posting by anyone untill further notice. Thank you.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:22 pm

I don't see why it's neccessary. We should be coming up with incentives for activity (and punishments for those who are inative) rather than dropping the Landsraad altogether. I have to protest this, especially since I've been writing a bill and have been planning to send it in today.

Braden Indianensis · Post by **Braden Indianensis** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:25 pm

HELLO! WHAT?! Suspending the Landsraad...unheard of...what an outrage! I can't even vote in the Landsraad, and I protest this.

Kaiser Alejian II · Post by **Kaiser Alejian II** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:28 pm

Can't tell if your joking there Baldwin.

Bill: Sorry man, but bad timing I suppose. You guys had a long time to make bills and such, but didn't. It'll be reopened in a week, so just hold onto that bill untill then.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:13 pm

If it's only a week, combined with the check for activity of nobles, then I support it, and will wait.

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:06 am

your kaiserialnessness, i actually suggested a voting situation in the landsraad recently in an attempt to bolster activity. and only Duke Fax replied to it.

please keep that in mind...

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:17 pm

No offence, H4773r, but the issue of the "national drink" of Shireroth didn't interest me much.

I also protest this, Kaiser. The Landsraad has been quite active recently when it had important issues to discuss. See the land-loss thread for an example. The Landsraad inactivity is just a symptom of the overall inactivity here at the moment, and restricting the executive of the nation will not help in the least.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:38 pm

No, not completely, Ophiuchus. The Landsraad's activity even when it did have bills was quite inactive. Few actually debated or cared about the issues, and fewer voted.

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:38 pm

And those who cared, and voted, had the benefit of making the decisions. Those who didn't, didn't. I fail to see a problem, Bill.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:41 pm

The problem is that it is not an excuse. It is the duty for all nobility to vote, not only those who care. Yes, even me. If you want to be a noble, you better damn well care about the legislature of the nation. If not, appoint an emmisary for someone who does care.

The problem is that the current process encourages people to be inactive. This is a huge problem. We are not supposed to be a shell of a micronation.

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:42 pm

Good point.

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:44 am

I know the national drink is not a subject of national scrutiny or emergency, however, i was making an effort, which is more than some nobility can say.

I also dont have a very expansive political agenda in this forum and am content to be reactionary. I am pleased with the system thats been established and the constant need to reinvent the wheel in this nation is a bit tireing for me.

Ive never liked polotics but as a Baron I DO vote and debate when I so feel moved. and if i dont know enough or dont care I learn more or let others make the desicion for me and am content.

How does the system encourage people to be inactive? I know its a common practice to show up, declare your an elder, retake your land, start a war, write some RP and then go on an indefinite LOA till you get bored in RL and repeat, but for those of us who consistently check the boards, have a fairly consistent posting rate and actually stay on top of the biggest concerns in relation to our empire, I think the system is fine.

Lastly. I think the debate over our national drink is a valid point to vote on. This nation has grown to not only be unified (we may be a dysfunctional family but we're family nonetheless), but a nation who can laugh. We may get stuck on who's being abrassive to who, we have upset our own kaiser to the point that he resigned, and we have a good ol bitch fest every few months.

BUT! we are also a nation with a sense of humor. I mean who else has ancient posts screaming SAVE THE KIWIS!, has a religion based soley on explosions and has something as grand as The Mango Throne. With national icons such as the moose and industries such as ISAYSO, I think having a ruling body decide on our national drink is perfectly valid.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:23 am

Lastly. I think the debate over our national drink is a valid point to vote on. This nation has grown to not only be unified (we may be a dysfunctional family but we're family nonetheless), but a nation who can laugh. We may get stuck on who's being abrassive to who, we have upset our own kaiser to the point that he resigned, and we have a good ol bitch fest every few months.

BUT! we are also a nation with a sense of humor. I mean who else has ancient posts screaming SAVE THE KIWIS!, has a religion based soley on explosions and has something as grand as The Mango Throne. With national icons such as the moose and industries such as ISAYSO, I think having a ruling body decide on our national drink is perfectly valid.

Oh no, I never said anything against voting about the national drink. That's my own fault, actually - I seriously never noticed the thread. It's perfectly fine to vote on that issue. That is my own fault for not noticing it, and I need to apologize.

My issue is on voting at all. We are not a nation of politics, yes, and we have few actual political or legislative issues - that is the way we are. It does not give us an excuse to not vote on the issues that are presented, however.

Personally I've always been against the idea of a completely fun religion, especially Cedrism, but that's another story.

How does the system encourage people to be inactive? I know its a common practice to show up, declare your an elder, retake your land, start a war, write some RP and then go on an indefinite LOA till you get bored in RL and repeat, but for those of us who consistently check the boards, have a fairly consistent posting rate and actually stay on top of the biggest concerns in relation to our empire, I think the system is fine.

It's the entire "Yeah, you can have a position here. No need to be active or anything." part of the nation. Allowing this means that we willl have inactive positions when they are needed, and yes, this includes nobles. Regarding the idea of not being involved in politics - that's okay. That is why the emmisary position exists, to allow someone else to have the votes. There is no excuse for votes to be wasted if someone in a subdivision wants a say.

Braden Indianensis · Post by **Braden Indianensis** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:31 pm

Can't tell if your joking there Baldwin.

I was actually being serious, though, having had a few days to think, I actually support this in a way--I think we ought to punish nobles who don't vote, but I don't think we need to disband the Landsraad all together. Perhaps you should look at those divisions whose voters are extra and especially lazy, and redistribute their votes to people in those divisions who would do something with them?

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:47 pm

By the way: "Disband" in this context means "mandatory recess".

Gryphon Avocatio · Post by **Gryphon Avocatio** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:16 am

Is it just me, or does dismissing the Landsraad in order to increase or bolster its activity seem, oh, counterintuitive

?

Just a thought.

osmose1000 · Post by **osmose1000** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:39 am

Who can remember the last time the Landsraad voted?

Oh, yeah, it was when people had to work hard to get their nobility positions and wanted to use them as much as possible.

When will you people realize I'm ALWAYS right?

:P

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:38 am

osmose1000 wrote:Who can remember the last time the Landsraad voted?

Oh, yeah, it was when people had to work hard to get their nobility positions and wanted to use them as much as possible.

When will you people realize I'm ALWAYS right? :P

The Landsraad was never really active in the first place. The last time it was active was during my beginnings as Praetorship. Irrelevant to the New Feudalism, as we've had these same problems before.

Eriana Moon · Post by **Eriana Moon** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:00 pm

Hay we were way active in my day... Ok so we were way petty in my day but we were active. Nobled realy did want to do stuff and if they didn't there lands went to someone who did. Even if it was just random partys and clay fights. In some ways those were the good ol days in other ways well you all know how I felt. It's why I left.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:35 pm

Eriana Moon wrote:Hay we were way active in my day... Ok so we were way petty in my day but we were active. Nobled realy did want to do stuff and if they didn't there lands went to someone who did. Even if it was just random partys and clay fights. In some ways those were the good ol days in other ways well you all know how I felt. It's why I left.

Strife is what makes micronations successful. If someone leaves due to the strife, it will just lead to the death of a nation. Strife needs to exist in order for a micronation to stay active completely - it is the most surefire way that activity can be generated.

osmose1000 · Post by **osmose1000** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:12 pm

But it's the quest to eliminate strife that really siezes the imagination of most micronationalists. Well, of course, there's some like Ardy that work backwards.

Creating strife just to eliminate it is like... making a sandwich just to eat it? Only not as tasty. Yay for analogies! Seriously, though, it loses the spark when YOU create it to destroy it. Hence why I'm usually opposed to the idea that conflict must exist. I just don't see the fun in that.

Kaiser Alejian II · Post by **Kaiser Alejian II** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:07 pm

Never said closing the Landsraad was to make it more active.

Imperial Decree #229: Dismissal of the Landsraad

Imperial Decree #229: Dismissal of the Landsraad

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