You have been betrayed!!!!

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:00 am

how would you know unless you purposely used a proxy? IP ghosting isn't unheard of, you know.

As for the WMD, it was in fact a bluff. I hacked a phpbb and set it up on my own server to look like it had been bombarded by something. It was part of the Jellodude affair that kinda backfired back when the Dinarchy and Republic were still at each other's throats.

mbasil · Post by **mbasil** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:09 am

Everybody knows it was you by now. Different IPs prove nothing; Let me teach you something about logic.

let p := "2 accounts have the same IP"
let q := "behind the accounts is the same person"

!p = "2 accounts have a different IP"
!q = "behind the accounts are 2 different people"

p => q is true in 99.9% of the cases.

p => q = !p or q
!(p => q) = !(!p or q) = !(!p) or !q = !q => !p
and not !p => !q.

Thus, we can only safely assume that, if behind 2 accounts are 2 different people, they will have different IPs, and not vice versa, which is what you claim, albeit implicitly.

... Sorry. As you can see I am very, VERY bored.

Sander, I won't call you a moron because you're very smart. Your logic is correct; however, you are incorrect in that you misinterpreted what I meant when I said "Check the IPs. They are different." I was saying, Sander, that the IPs in my posts (the posts by mbasil) and the posts by your mystery poster are different. Unless my computer has been hijacked in some wild hacking scheme, they will be different.

how would you know unless you purposely used a proxy? IP ghosting isn't unheard of, you know.

Ummm...because I didn't? Foghorn, sounds like you need to apply some logic to this situation.

Conglacio · Post by **Conglacio** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:12 am

and like he says, the 2 posters having different IP addresses does not prove that they are different people.

Sander · Post by **Sander** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:23 am

mbasil wrote:Sander, I won't call you a moron because you're very smart. Your logic is correct; however, you are incorrect in that you misinterpreted what I meant when I said "Check the IPs. They are different." I was saying, Sander, that the IPs in my posts (the posts by mbasil) and the posts by your mystery poster are different. Unless my computer has been hijacked in some wild hacking scheme, they will be different.

how would you know unless you purposely used a proxy? IP ghosting isn't unheard of, you know.
Ummm...because I didn't? Foghorn, sounds like you need to apply some logic to this situation.

Nevertheless, this does not prove you innocent.

You don't have to prove you're innocent though; innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz. Those who accuse you have to prove you're guilty, and I'm sure that will happen soon enough.

Oh, and I didn't intend that message to sound as if I was calling you a moron... I was just trying to be witty.

mbasil · Post by **mbasil** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:31 am

No, I enjoyed seeing someone apply trying to apply logic to a situation for a change.

Yes, I would actually like for this to go to trial. That way any lingering doubts can be cleared.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:50 am

I'd like to remind you that Nick is the Steward of Shireroth, and the Kaiser is on an offical LoA. Nick if he wanted to, can ban you for no reason whatsoever as his word is now Law. There is no need for a trial.

Needless to say, this entire thing is a waste of time, and I don't see any need in trying to attract attention toward it.

mbasil · Post by **mbasil** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:02 pm

Once upon a time I really liked Shireroth. I too hate seeing things fall apart over a misunderstanding over someone else's immaturity.

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:25 pm

*begins power trip*

Basil, STFU and stop trying to start a war between Shireroth and Antica.

And banning is evil, Bill. I'm morally opposed to it.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:47 pm

So quick to accuse him, aren't we, Nick? Quick to have everyone forget how you betray me... I'm not forgetting...

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:52 pm

no, but quick to realize when someone is attempting to exploit the situation.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:55 pm

As am I, and that's what I see you doing here. Being quick to exploit the situation that people are more concerned with who Tgaoth is than your misdeed or misdeeds.

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:00 pm

what misdeed? as far as I know I've committed no wrongs. Provide me with proof otherwise and I'll stop asking for this mysterious poster's head on a platter.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:07 pm

You using my trust to aid the Republic by "getting information" from me. Incriminating enough.

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:15 pm

Proof, not heresay Delphi. One can put anything they damn well please in quotes, doesn't mean its true.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:17 pm

I have a fucking PM that you sent to Olorix. Words straight from your keyboard! How dare you deny it!

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:23 pm

and how did you come by this information? did you personally hack the Republican forums?

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:25 pm

How I came of this information is irrelevant, as irrelevant as who Tgaoth is, in what we're discussing. It's a fact that it's a real PM that you sent, with words typed by you, and that it displays your intent. I need to explain nothing.

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:30 pm

I do believe its relivant. If you're going to sit there and try to destroy my credibility I at least want you to cite your sources.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:31 pm

Both of you, calm down.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:32 pm

Absolutely not. If I can produce it, what does it matter? Do you deny having sent this PM?

Nick Foghorn Leghorn · Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:33 pm

It does matter. If you cannot back up your claims with proof, it's best to not make them at all.

This matter is closed pending an investigation by SHINE. Gods know that its better than airing our dirty laundry to the world.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:34 pm

I have proof. I simply refuse to give up my sources.

*giggles*

Hertug Gordon II · Post by **Hertug Gordon II** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:52 pm

Gods know that its better than airing our dirty laundry to the world.

I don't think thats what people want to hear...

mbasil · Post by **mbasil** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:56 pm

What is this? Antica was responsible for the mess? Well...what did I tell you in the first place, lol!

osmose1000 · Post by **osmose1000** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:15 pm

And so Basil's plan comes to fruit as old grudges are dug up.

Chrimigules · Post by **Chrimigules** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:22 pm

You mean Antica-Avalonia grudges? 'cause I can see it'll go down the same path.

Hypatia Agnesi · Post by **Hypatia Agnesi** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:24 pm

I wan to let it be known that mbasil IMed me last week sounding paranoid about our handling of the Republic and trying to get me to give my opinion on the situation. Then yesterday he messaged me back saying he'd brought his concerns out in Shireroth, etc., etc.

My reaction upon reading the first post was to think it was mbasil, in spite of the fact that he posted farther down the thread (as well?). I think everyone really should calm down.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:46 pm

*starts handing out chill pills to everyone*

Relax. Smoke a blunt. Ease off the caffeine kiddies.

stevenAntica · Post by **stevenAntica** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:45 pm

Not so fast, buster...

There are quite a few unresolved issues to be discussed here.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:46 pm

Steve, shut up and go home. This doesn't need to be an issue.

You have been betrayed!!!!

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