Greetings to Your Imperial Highness

[Kaiseress Semisa I]

I keep most things before my populous, not in hiding. Any qualms you have may be brought before me here, not in private.To be honest, I don't understand the problem you seem to have here. Perhaps you should enlighten me.

[JacobusRexetImp]

and congratulations on your accession to the Throne of Shireroth.A matter stands between us. I have just become aware of a statement ascribed to one of your Noble predecessors, Ari I. This was found as a quote in an article written by a sworn enemy of mine, so I choose not to take it as a statement of Imperial policy. It reads from April of 2005 as follows:"Have fun laying claim to other people's nations, Jacobus - I'm sure that every schizophrenic who's living in their own dreamworld, ranting and drooling in a padded room is having just as much fun as you are."I have always had the most kind regards and respect towards the Civilization that is Shireroth. We honor the memory of Raynor XI who gave so much for peace. Peace, however, requires all parties to an agreement to honor it in good faith.I chose to abrogate the Treaty of Shirekeep for one basic reason. The treaty was supposed to stop the rank abuse of my person by citizens of the VCC. When called upon to cease the abuse, the President of the VCC stated that under their law he was unable to prevent his citizens from doing as they like in a priviate capacity. Thus the Treaty became a completely one-sided affair. My opponents could savage me at will, while I was expected to sit back and allow them to do whatever they liked. This could not be countenanced.Please note that my Imperial ambitions regarding a Cyberian throne have been abandonded, as they served best as a veil from behind which my opponents could avoid all of the substansive issues that lay between them and my people.If Kaiser Ari's statement is accurate - which I most certainly hope it is not - there would at that time be the matter of Cognito & Lac Glacei to be discussed.I may be contacted privately atjacobus2nd@juno.comMay God Save Your Imperial Majesty.

[Sebastien Alexandre]

I think he wants in Shireroth - he had approached me sometime before on joining Halluci to keep the Barony alive, though I daresay I believe I turned him down because I knew I would lose my Baronial Throne if Gryphon found out who the user was.And sadly, I don't think he'd be any more welcome in Shireroth - even if we did allow him in, the intermicronational community wouldn't stand for it. We'd be as good as an illegitimate nation in Cyberia's eyes, we'd upset the Grand Commonwealth, Gotzborg (might) go into an uproar... and that's just three that we'd have to deal with.Until the intermicronational community as a whole can forgive Jacobus, I don't think Shireroth can do it without burning bridges at every crossing.

[Bill3000]

The only part of the community that I can appreciate, if not encourage, to be upset is the Grand Commonwealth. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Shyriath]

Quote:I chose to abrogate the Treaty of Shirekeep for one basic reason. The treaty was supposed to stop the rank abuse of my person by citizens of the VCC. When called upon to cease the abuse, the President of the VCC stated that under their law he was unable to prevent his citizens from doing as they like in a priviate capacity.In which case, he acted quite rightly. A president cannot be expected to break the laws of his own country to protect a person from verbal abuse; this would be the case even for an uncontroversial citizen, much less with someone with such a reputation as yours (deserved or not). Nor does the treaty say he should have taken such a course:Quote:Article 10 The Virtual Commonwealth of Cyberia undertakes to use its best efforts to ensure that all Cyberian personally observe the preceding article.While this suggests, perhaps, that the law could've been changed to reflect the Treaty, or that the government of Cyberia could at least have been more encouraging on the matter of not attempting to insult you, "best efforts" on the part of a sovereign state are still contingent on what is legal in that state. The President acted within those constraints.

[Sebastien Alexandre]

So.. in other words... you shouldn't have signed a tilted contract.

[JacobusRexetImp]

Why should it matter what V.C. Cyberia thinks? Face it, they have built their culture on flame wars and fighting me. Without the scary Jacobist threat, the place goes to Virtually no activity. (Not a bad idea. If I lay low for a year, the whole place should dissolve on it's own..........) Their legislature consists of Hickey and Grieve ad hominem-ing all over one another.Annoying the GC is likley a good thing. I shall have to consider it.As for the Treaty - Well, silly me, I thought I could trust in Shireroth to be even-handed as a guarantor. I didn't expect to be attacked by those I considered to be my friends.But be consoled- I don't want back in to Shireroth. No sense in letting the VCC and its allies savage an almost worthy nation. Also-Counter to popular opinion, I won't be fronting a "Peoples' Republic of Shireroth" or any other such thing.Although I do intend to promote the Federal Republic News Service as an alternative to MNN.May my friends have peace, may my enemies get a small, painful rash.

[Ryan]

I can attest to the fact that the VCC is little more than a legalese flamefest between Team Hickey's The Fascists and Team Grieve's The Lawyers.I attempted to join earlier this year to test my idea on net Indians (ala A'arehaka) with their Mala'anje culture, only to get lambasted for merely choosing to align myself with the Social Democrats. I joined for a serious micro-political emulation, and instead discovered hatred that'd make dead Menelmacari roll in their graves.Subsequently, I resigned. But that's besides the point. It basically boils down to that the longer I spent in Cyberia, the more sense Jake's actions against them make. Useless art is simply tolerated vandalism. I am a vandal.

[JacobusRexetImp]

I am well pleased with my Elder Statesman role in Lac Glacei, and thus my Visa status here. However, a blot remains on my shield that Your Imperial Majesty has it in her power to wipe away.I request that the Treaty of Shirekeep be formally declared void. I no longer harbour ambitions of becoming Emperor of Cyberia, and the Virtual Commonwealth of Cyberia is for all intents and purposes, dead.Your Majesty's assistance is formally requested.Regards, Jacobus, Imperator Rex Emeritus, Lac Glacei

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Cyberia is a crazy and terrible place, there's no denying that. I'd completely support Jake's attempts to stick a bee in their bonnets if it weren't that he really is going about it illegally, that his methods are more annoying than enlightening, and that he's agreed to stop a number of times and then reneged.If it looked like Jake had a real plan to fix up Cyberia or even to help the Cyberians laugh at themselves, that's one thing. But as far as I've seen he's just added fuel to the fire there and tried to ruin the few things that the country does.I trust him not to do any damage to Shireroth, I'm just afraid if he was a citizen then we'd probably get yelled at when he did something and have to kick him out, which would lead to bad feelings and not be fair to either of us.

[Ryan]

Let me just state something from my point of view here:Earlier this year I joined Cyberia for several reasons. One reason was because my idea of an online nation - netizens, complete virtual emulationism, etc - was embodied in the idea that is Cyberia. Secondly, I joined because since the death of Audentior I really haven't had the opportunity to exercise my abilities in serious legislative debate. At least not on a democratic level, which is what Cyberia is [supposed to be]. Third, the Cyberians themselves have been in a lull for a long time now and I thought I could help them out.Now, when I joined I decided to sign up as a Social Democrat. I may be an imperialist micronationally, but IRL I'm a SoDem. So I figured I'd go with what I truely support if I wanted to commit to a serious legislative agenda. Within a very short time I had been made Minister of the Interior and Speaker of the Legislature. In a shorter time than it takes to blink, I was attacked by Peter Hickey and Pete Krembs, the opposition party. For being a SoDem. For being a Speaker. For being [apparently] a lap dog to the SDP. Not just childish insults. I'm talking vindictive, vicious, downright rotten insults. And for what? Simply being in the opposition party. I was deemed scapegoat for their rudeness.That was why I simply washed my hands of Cyberia.Now, after that experience, I totally see where Jake is coming from.Cyberia has a legacy of legitimacy in front of it that they use as a shield to buffer out the fact that it's the same four people, in a cyclic environment, who constantly bicker and belittle eachother, to no end whatsoever. And anyone who tries to get involved in-between is cut to pieces. Who is the microworld going to believe? An individual who claims to have been transgressed upon? Or the longtime-established Cyberian republic? Obviously Cyberia has the cards stacked in its favour. But the truth is something quite different.To tell you how bad it is, even Jack Santucci admitted to me that Peter Hickey, Pete Krembs and Alan Grieve are the cyclic problem with Cyberia. Unfortunately for him, nothing can be done about it until those three are out of the picture. Or at least the Cyberian legislature. Until a change can be effected to such extent, Cyberia is not an asset to this hobby nor is it representative of what this hobby can be.At this point, a coup d'etat would be a good thing for Cyberia.But anyways, I'm just saying this because I think we should agree to Jake's proposal and fully nullify the treaty. If you don't believe him, then take a look at my experience for further proof of the real situation. Useless art is simply tolerated vandalism. I am a vandal.

[osmose1000]

Despite all the badness of the VCC and all the wrongs that have been done against him, Jacobus is still a jackass. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

[Dafitt Bergsdrumfort]

maybe flood the place with...say...8 new people, who'll over whelm the fools, and force a better state of affairs?

[Kaiseress Semisa I]

At this point in time, I will take no action. However, if you, Jacobus, can find a way to fix Cyberia legally and without antagonistic methods, you will have your voided contract quicker than you can ask for it.Shireroth is a powerful nation, and we should use our power to embetter the micronational world as a whole...and not in that creepy American "world police" sort of way either.

[JacobusRexetImp]

Your Imperial Majesty, Friends, Cyberia has been an oligarchy ruled by Greive or Hickey for many years, albeit others were permitted to rule in name. Fixing Cyberia - legally, - ahhh, a dream of many for many years. The closest that has ever come was when my cousin/atavar, Capt. Geoffrey Spaulding, was able to get a Constitutional amendment on the ballot that would have bannished Alan Grieve and granted full pardons to anyone else ever involved in Cyberia.Just prior to the election, Mr. Singleton, a "personal friend" of Mr. Grieve who was also the Chief Justice (Singleton, that is) (and arguably Grieve's avatar), had been absent for months. He magically appeared in time to declare the amendment Unconstitutional.Well, by the antecedents that Cyberia claims to hold dearly, a proposed Constitutional amendment cannot be unconstitutional by the very fact that it would BECOME part of the Constitution.To be fair, an amendment that bannished Hickey and granted pardons to everyone would have been just as acceptable.This is a very long-winded tale that goes to this point. Anyone who attempts to "fix" the VCC will either-A- Leave in Disgust.B- Be declared a criminal in a show trial, and bannished.C- Disappear in embarassment.D- Forget to vote, and be expelled.*****************************************Now, why bother to try to "fix" Cyberia?Look here - http://www.shireroth.org/wiki/in...n_Memorialand follow the links. Just look at the number of people who wanted Cyberia to succeed. The IDEAL of Cyberia, the Cyberia that I saw once, was a multi-party Democracy with parties ranging from Royalist to Fascist to Screaming-Looney, from Moderate-Sensible to Communist to Maoist. The was even a radical-feminist element alongside Goldwater conservatives. The Provinces were simulations in themselves, and possessed a remarkable amount of autonomy.Two individuals bear the primary responsibility for destroying that dream, and I'm not one of them.My friend Tim Dunkin was a participant in that Cyberia, and can vouch for what I say.When a clicque has a stranglehold on a government, how does one "legally" fix it unless the clicque goes away?The idea of flooding the place with new cits. is an attractive one. The is another legality, along the lines of "...That whenever any form of government becomes destructive......it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government......."How can one do that in micronationry without-1- Hacking (illegal by RL laws)2- Starting an alternativeAt any rate, I'm not asking Her Imperial Majesty to invade the VCC and string up the troublemakers. Simply, these people have abused the Treaty in order to attempt to silence me. I'd simply like to see it voided. I will continue, along with nearly anyone who cares to visit, continue to build the infrastructure of the Federal Republic, and to wait.As for Shireroth, I wish it and Her Majesty nothing but glory and prosperity. I have no interest in subverting or harming Shireroth. Micronationally I will express myself primarily as a loyal Lac Glaceian.Sincere Regards and Happy New Year, Jacobus Edited by: JacobusRexetImp at: 12/29/05 16:45

[Osman Shahanshah]

Pax Shireirthia? I'd rather you didn't.

[Kaiseress Semisa I]

Just like I'd rather you didn't Pax Commonwealthia.

[Osman Shahanshah]

I think we have an accord then.

[Shyriath]

We could always divide up the world between us, like the Spanish and Portuguese did in the Treaty of Torsedillas. Shireroth gets one half and the GC gets the other? Eh? Eh?

[Kaiseress Semisa I]

But then Attera would feel left out.

[Conglacio]

They can be a duchy

[Osman Shahanshah]

and a Satrapy... shall we say 50/50 :P

[AngelGuardian93]

This is a disturbing conversation.