Treaty with the Republic of Antica

[AngelGuardian93]

Quote:WHEREAS the two countries of the IMPERIAL REPUBLIC OF SHIREROTH and the REPUBLIC OF ANTICA, having come into contact with one another and and finding their interests to be coincident, do desire to formalize and secure their cordial feelings, they do agree:FIRST, that each recognize the other as a sovereign and independent country, possessed of all the rights entailed therebySECOND, that each recognize the other as the sole legitimate owner of all territory, both physical and imaginary, which they claimTHIRD, that both countries commit to resolve all mutual disputes peacefully, using a neutral third partied agreed to by both should this prove impossible by normal channelsFOURTH, that both countries shall remain open and accessible to tourists and other visitors from one another, barring national emergencies or other such security issuesFIFTH, that proper channels of communication shall be opened between them, so as to facilitate dialogue and future cooperationTime to open Pandora's Box. There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

[Fax Celestis]

Barony of Naudia'Diva likes the proposal, but waits for discussion. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Bill3000]

Eh... I still prefer keeping neutral over the issues. The entire incident reeks of Menelmacar in the first place, and I hate having to prefer one nation over the other, even if the Republic is less "evil." Then again, trying to stay neutral is hard when one of the two nations has a better moral ground. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Fax Celestis]

Our stance has been decided for us by the idiotic actions of the Dinarchy. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Nick Foghorn Leghorn]

Netopalis votes a very biased AYE (2).On an unbiased note, the Dinarchy has made every effort to impede micronational diplomacy through it's own legislation, and therefore is not nifty enough to qualify a treaty. ________________It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.-Andrew Jackson

[Fax Celestis]

Barony of Naudia'Diva thinks that enough agree with it and votes AYE (3). Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Hypatia Agnesi]

Kildare agrees with this treaty and the arguments for it, and votes Aye (7). *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[Bill3000]

Antya is being a poopyhead and votes Abstain (3) Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[RicLyon]

Elwynn would like to express its reluctance in having Shireroth put into a position where Shireroth will have to make a stance in deciding in which “Antica” Shireroth should have relations with. Elwynn does not like to see one nation divided. It happened with Menelmacar, and we have all seen the fruits of that.Elwynn feels that the Dinarchy’s way of dealing with the issue of the so called Republic of Antica has been done badly and without any consideration or hopes of ever reuniting Antica under a central government, but should Shireroth recognise the “Republic” as a sovereign and free state, then our relations with the Dinarchy would be hampered.For the record, Elwynn would it like to be noted that the efforts of the de facto government of the island of Nafticon and other territories of that government have been good and peaceminded, a gesture Elwynn welcomes. However, Elwynn is a strong and firm believer in legal continuity and the sovereign rights a free and independent state has. Recognising the government in Nafticon as a “sovereign and independent county, possessed of all the rights entailed thereby” would be an unjust action for Shireroth to do, and something the people of Elwynn cannot accept as the territorial integrity of the Dinarchy of Antica is compromised. Note Shireroth’s treaty with the Dinarchy which states that “each recognize the other as the sole legitimate owner of all territory, both physical and imaginary, which they claim”. Nafticon and the other territories under the jurisdiction of the Antican “republic”. Thus, the proposed treaty with the Nafticon government would go against the treaty with the original Antican state.This treaty, which has been ratified, is law in Shireroth. The proposed treaty with the republican government in Nafticon would be illegal (or at best be a conflict of laws). In light of that Elwynn asks the Praetor to disqualify this bill for ratification.Elwynn does, however, believe that the Antican dinarchy is a place of crooks and should as soon as possible be destroyed by any war-levying state. Edited by: RicLyon at: 10/31/05 8:19

[Hypatia Agnesi]

Because this situation is a bit complicated, I would like to get the Kaiser's opinion on whether this treaty should qualify for ratification, before just saying one way or another. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[Bill3000]

Well, the point of the matter is that the previous treaty we would have with the Dinarchy would be cancelled if we recongized the Republic. Saying that we have to cancel the treaty ourselves first in this case is kind of stupid, as this implies that we would be cancelling it. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[RicLyon]

The thing is, Dinarchy claims Nafticon. We have acknowledged that claim through treaty with Dinarchy.Republic comes: "Nafticon's ours!" We recognise Republic and Nafticon as Republic's. We go against Dinarchy treaty. Richard LyonYansha Elaer Kyon gef ShanPernem kahn gef kuymal per varga stiPernem kahn gef varga per kuymal sti

[Nick Foghorn Leghorn]

The Barony of Netopalis agrees with the right honorable gentleman and changes it's vote to "NAY" (2) until the clause about land is removed. ________________It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.-Andrew Jackson

[Kaiser Yarad I]

I agree that this bill should be redrawn to drop the references to territory. Since it is not in our best interest to strain our relations with the Dinarchy beyond their current tensity it is for the best.However, I think that a treaty with the Republic has been a while coming, and they are no less worthy of our friendship and support than the Dinarchy ever has been. That is, in effect, what Delphi and his fellows are trying to imply with their actions, after all, that because of the betrayal of half the citizenry, the other Antica is not worthy of friends. Or at least I think so. Their certainty that they can manage without all of us filthy foreigners (not that that's a quote or anything..) leaves me a little uncertain of what their attitude as a micronation actually is.No-one will dictate Shirerithian foreign policy but the Kaiser and the Mini-Ex. Since both of those happen to be positions occupied by myself, I say that the redrawn treaty will be voted on, will hopefully receive ratification from the Landsraad, and will herald at the very least a new diplomatic playing field, and at most (we can live and dream) could pave the way for some sort of reconciliation and/or peace between the two Anticas.

[Hypatia Agnesi]

So do you veto this officially, so that it can be removed from the floor?In the eventuality that it is not vetoed, Kildare changes its vote to Nay (7), in favor of a new treaty. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[Fax Celestis]

Naudia'Diva thinks the Dinarchy are all bastards and remains AYE (3). Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[RicLyon]

Elwynn proposes the following as a compromise, as long as the Antican republic agrees with it:Quote:WHEREAS the two countries of the IMPERIAL REPUBLIC OF SHIREROTH and the REPUBLIC OF ANTICA, having come into contact with one another and and finding their interests to be coincident, do desire to formalize and secure their cordial feelings, they do agree:FIRST, that each recognize the other as a sovereign and independent country, possessed of all the rights entailed therebySECOND, that both countries commit to resolve all mutual disputes peacefully, using a neutral third partied agreed to by both should this prove impossible by normal channelsTHIRD, that both countries shall remain open and accessible to tourists and other visitors from one another, barring national emergencies or other such security issuesFOURTH, that proper channels of communication shall be opened between them, so as to facilitate dialogue and future cooperation

[Nick Foghorn Leghorn]

Netopalis votes AYE (2) and presents it to the Republic for ratification.****Note from PraetorThis vote is uncountable. Please see below.**** ________________It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.-Andrew Jackson Edited by: Hypatia Agnesi at: 11/1/05 18:39

[Hypatia Agnesi]

This needs to be put in a different thread, since the voting had commenced on the old version.Please repost it and vote on it there. Nick's vote cannot be counted at this point. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[Nick Foghorn Leghorn]

oh poo ________________It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.-Andrew Jackson

[Hypatia Agnesi]

This (version of the) treaty has FAILED.Aye: 3Nay: 9Abstain: 3 *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!