Who would shoot me if I un-banned Bobby?

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I guess so. I still find it suspicious. So...if you do...be on the look out...but I still don't think he should be unbanned. We banned him for a reason. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Kaiseress Jadie]

I would shoot myself if I let bobby back in....how does that reassure you guys??? Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

[david northworthy beckfor]

just shoot him..no need to deprive the world of your presence. David I Eric Vivian Northorthy Beckford KGCS KL OHDafitt Erick Wiffjan Nurtbefoon Bergsdrumfort"It's a dull man who can only find one way to spell a word"(Mark Twain)My Mission - To be a nuisence to all! (especialy to those I like!), and to be Kaiser of Shieroth by 14/07/04.Aim - hwsbossMSN - kingDaveofDerbyCLEAN UP SCUM! SUPPORT THE anse CONDEMNATION! BALLOT YOUR RULERS NOW!

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I like Mr. Beckford's response.Jadie, if you are indeed serious about this unbanning, you should bring it before the Landsraad. Even though you are Kaiseress, this is a matter of public interest, so I believe that the nobles should have a say. also...the powers of the spouse of a Kaiser are not specifically outlined anywhere, so i'm not exactly sure if you can unban a threat to the nation...then again, since you are married to he who is supreme, and you are his wife, I would suppose you have more power over him then he has over you -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Kaiseress Jadie]

If only that was the case.....heh....Harvey does what he wants....with or without my influence.but anywho...no I am not planning on unbanning him...I know that he wanted to be able to see what was going on so I wanted to know how the country felt about that....and I was right...everyone still hates him.So no worries....and yes Beckford's response was entertaining to read. Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

[Mari Greenwood]

Out right banning is a terrible thing to do to someone. Especially, since we can limit ones access and any potential harm they could do.I realize my opinion on this matter is not the popular one. But I also believe that hatred is a poison seed that in the end can consume a person or a nation. And if you keep expecting evil from someone in a sense you are demanding it of them and sooner or later you will get what you demand by not allowing someone to take a different path. I realize this is all very psych-zen but I felt like saying it! Ha Ha!

[Gman Russell]

I agree with Mari... "Forgiveness is divine" after all, and to hold a grudge is wrong. Any story in history where people have a grudge with each other never end well... need I give specific examples? I understand he probably did some nasty things in his past, but people grow and mature... If the chance is not given, how can he prove he means no harm anymore? If he harms Shireroth again, he'll look like an even bigger jerk and we'll look alot better in peoples eyes for being willing to forgive. Why not make it so he can peruse the board for a time, but not post, and gradually lift restrictions as he proves himself worthy?

[Ari Rahikkala]

Quote:also...the powers of the spouse of a Kaiser are not specifically outlined anywhere, so i'm not exactly sure if you can unban a threat to the nation...then again, since you are married to he who is supreme, and you are his wife, I would suppose you have more power over him then he has over you Well, the general principle is that she has more power than the Landsraad, and as we seem to assume that the Landsraad has the power to ban/unban people, she should have it, too...And back to the real topic... banning Bobby is a show of courtesy toward all the good and rational people in this world. Besides, remember that Shireroth is not an Apollo nation. We aren't supposed to suffer from... er, I forgot the name of the disease (unless it was just "Apollo Syndrome")... but anyway, we aren't supposed to forgive people over and over while we know that they are never going to change. And back to the real^2 topic, quoting Jadie...Quote:Bobby would like to be able to see what is going on in Shireroth As long as we don't have MBA, Bobby can browse Shirithian boards as much as we wants if he just bothers to log out and use an anonymising proxy (or a friend's computer, or whatever - there are as many ways to change your IP address as there are IP addresses... well, at least in the IPv4 space...). If he does not bother to go even that far to be able to view our board, we've been discussing a complete non-issue for, what, 36 posts now ... Mitä minä todella sanoin

[UEC]

Yes.. but it DOES give us something to do..Forgiveness is Divine.. if it is logical... should we..well.. not us.. but should the jew forgive hitler? Should the people killed by a mass murder forgive him, even if they know he'd do it agian... bad examples maybe... my point... would you forgive someone you know would do it agian if it helped them in some goal? E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon the Pure]

I created a new user level system to prevent spam on aforementioned ip scrambled computers... and I put in a level for hostile outsider that gives 1 post per day or something like that... Raised by a family of Griffins in the forests of Llanowar, this young mage is rumored to be the sole male born of the Serra tribe.

[Mari Greenwood]

I think limited visitor would be a nicer automatic title than hostile outsider? Geeze!

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I don't think shireroth was founded on the priciple of being nice...I think that why it kinda has the sad, dreary feeling on the message boards that many have come to know and love.. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Gman Russell]

Couldn't be the purple message boards with the black background *rolls eyes*

[UEC]

Hostile Outsider was for people who were.. hostile..and outsiders... Like Bobby..Mari, enough with the "We should be nice" stuff... PEople aren't nice... so why should we be nice? If I had my way I'de blow them up... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

hmm...erik sounds like hobbes...hmmm....maybe that's locke...i can't remember...history class sucks! -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

What's all this about Social Contract theory? E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

That was locke... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

Hobbes said what than? E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I don't know...one was an optimist...and one was a pessimist...they both agreed on social contract theory...but one said that people were good...and one said people were bad...and I think machiavelli was in that group as well...and somebody eles...can't remember though... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

Machiavelli was just cool... His thing was on how to maintain power... or at least in his book, "The Prince".. I've read a lil of it.. I need to finish it, which requires I get a copy of it.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Oh yeah...i think i read a few parts of that...i think he said to rule using fear though...which would classify him as a pessimist... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Hesam Jahandar]

Ahem, excuse me all, here is some outside Babkhan advice on Bobby. While has done many destructive things in the past, he does have, like all of us the ability to change. I have been around long enough to remember when Thomas Hubert was considered the ultimate evil in micronations, followed by Yuri Andropov. Both of which have long sinced stopped such activities and produce excellent contributions to nations such as Baracao (who although attacked many times by all three of the individuals I've mentioned has unbanned them all) so, If Thomas Hubert can change, and be accepted back, why cannot Bobby. god of warProud Owner of a Real Horrorshow High-Speed, Low-Drag Sig!

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Yuri!Oh my god! I haven't been to istavanistan in some time...Yuri must miss me. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Gryphon the Pure]

didn't he come here some time ago? Raised by a family of Griffins in the forests of Llanowar, this young mage is rumored to be the sole male born of the Serra tribe.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Yuri! Yuri is a fun name to say! -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Solitary Poet 8]

Perhaps, but if you were to say that to an anime fanatic, they would laugh their head off. ~The Solitary Poet of Delvenus

[Ari Rahikkala]

Considering that it was... hm... today, when I found out what "Yuri" means... yeah, it's kinda funny. Mitä minä todella sanoin

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I'm going to have to dig out my Japanese dictionary, aren't i? -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Solitary Poet 8]

Yup! ~The Solitary Poet of Delvenus

[Gryphon Avocatio]

hmmm....yureru...yuuretsu...ahh...Yuri....Yuri, n. lilyYuuri, adj. advantageous; favourableYuuri sury, vb to separateI don't get it. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.