Babkha

[Scott Alexander]

Aurefiction and I talked to Deputy Vizier of Foreign Affairs Rakesh Ackbar today and had a very productive chat. We both agreed that we definitely should work on a treaty of friendship. However, Rakesh also proposed a stronger military alliance similar to their Venceramos-Rastakhiz Pact with Baracao.I am curious what everyone, especially Erik, thinks of a full alliance with Babkha. And by the way, no one is more surprised than I that they even offered this; it is something of an honor...or else Rakesh was drunk...but I prefer to think of it as an honor.

[Mari Greenwood]

Interesting.I thought that Babkha considered nations like Shireroth, Delvenus, OAM, the United Baronies to mention a few to be too apollo to have official dealings with?This would be kewl.But I do not think I would combine our military. We should stand on our own and make sure we have control of our own military.

[Harvey the Blue]

Yeah, I was under that same impression. I do not know how you expect this to pass over there. But then again, times change and maybe so do Babkhans. If it could happen, I would support it.As for that whole "combine the military" thing... that is not an issue, methinks. A military pact is different from actually combining militaries. Harvey SteffkeJadie's Lesser HalfSaves the worldProud bearer of the Shirerothian Silver Sword Award and Imperial Star

[Zirandorthel]

I'd be very surprised, sufficed to say, if Babkha considered us below their range of activity. And insulted.. ZirandorthelThe Golden DarknessSupreme Commander of the King's ArmiesLeader of the TMPProud Citizen of Pyramodia

[Aurefiction]

I'd like to clear something up on this one after talking to Rakesh today.A VR-esque treaty in this case does not mean a military alliance or even a very strict mutual defese pact. What the Babkhan side is looking for is more of a mutual cooperation treaty rather than a mutual defense treaty. "Never let sense conquer nonesense"-- Quixy the god of Madness.

[Harvey the Blue]

Hmm, I see. Perhaps Rakesh, who seems to be hovering around, could shed further light on it. Harvey SteffkeJadie's Lesser HalfSaves the worldProud bearer of the Shirerothian Silver Sword Award and Imperial Star

[Ryan]

I support this. I've always liked Babkha.

[Rakesh86]

I would recommend that all those interested would read the V-R Treaty to understand the relationship the Kingdom of Babkha wishes to have with the Imperial Republic. Here's a link ... Vençeramos-Rastakhiz Pact

[Kaiser Raynor X]

But we AREN"T Apollo... Shireroth doesn't even recognize the idea of Sectors... Just read the old Decrees...the few that survive.. Raynor M'JiliadKaiser of Shireroth

[Rakesh86]

Your feelings on the issue, would be greatly appreciated - Your Imperial Majesty.

[Kaiser Raynor X]

*feels spiffy about being called Imperial Majesty*Ok. I can do that. My mind is shot at the moment, due to driving straight for several hours and working off low sleep... but... er... My general oppinion right now... Cool. I don't know what kinda military alliance you mean.. or even how that makes sense in an age and medium where there is no real army for two nations to use.... Especially since the only real way to attack anyone these days is hacking.. which is dishonorable.... But, if you and Scott can define what classifies as military alliance. I support it. Fully and Completly! Raynor M'JiliadKaiser of Shireroth

[Ryan]

With the recent takeover of the Skyline by Silby, I would think it beneficial to establish some sort of multinational anti-hacking taskforce. Would it not?Perhaps by having one nation each send an expert person to be a part of the taskforce (1 from Babkha, 1 from Baracao, 1 from Shireroth, maybe 1 from Menelmacar, etc...).Expand the VR treaty to be a blanket pact between Baracao, Shireroth and Babkha.Just an idea...

[Kaiser Raynor X]

kinda reminds me of the Benacian Commonwealth... I really oughta try agian with that.... Raynor M'JiliadKaiser of Shireroth

[Ryan]

Yes... But with a better name... Like... Oh I dunno... Apollo Commonwealth?*dodges bullets*:p :DSeriously tho, with jerks like Silby around who do nothing but hack to wreck stuff, and that phenomenon only growing, we need something like a micronational NATO to pound these people back to the stone age.Hmmm, scary, I sound like Diga now... *screams in horror*

[Kaiser Raynor X]

Yeah, But ...1. How do we prove it's them?2. What do we do to them?and 3. Who has the balls to accually make a stand? From what I see.. people condemn hacking and stuff... but do it too... or make treaties against doing it to each other.. but will do it to others or something.. Mind you my knowledge of foreign treaties is limited. But I don't really see people making that firm a stand on the issue. I mean Shireroth condemns it.. and doesn't do it.. but we also don't have anyone(that I know of) who can? And we've been hit twice by kinda hacking. Wasn't quite hacking, but close enough.I mean, how do you go after hackers? Bomb their nation? They just do it again and ban you or something... And how do you know for sure who it is? Do you report them to EZboard? HA.. I tried, they won't listen to anything.. unless the person flat out says in a thread.. ON ezboard.. "I hacked this or that account." Do you Hack them back? Ok, that makes some sense.. to bad it removed your credibility. And would proly just set off a hacking war which would result in MASSIVE destruction... the likes of which we've proly Never seen. So you report them to the Law? How do you deal with people in other nations? Is it worth it? How do you cover the legal costs? Though if we did it once... it would proly discurage it from happening again. and again.. How do you prove it?!Sorry. I'm a little cynical. but I think realistic in my concerns. Raynor M'JiliadKaiser of Shireroth

[Bahram Gul Khuramdin]

I sure didnt see this one coming, maybe I shouldnt have resigned after all! :PI was in here looking for the new Skyline, then like a ton of bricks this hits me. Im in a moderate mood today, so, so far this is interesting. Im a little curious though, I believe there was once a relationship between Babkha and Shireroth quite a number of years ago was there not?

[Harvey the Blue]

Quote:and 3. Who has the balls to accually make a stand?Well, me, for one. *twirls his silver sword* I have to earn that "saves the world" in my title block, you know!However, although I support the idea that WarVoid came up with and want to talk about it further somewhere else, perhaps we should confine our discussions here to Babkha? Harvey SteffkeJadie's Lesser HalfSaves the worldProud bearer of the Shirerothian Silver Sword Award and Imperial Star

[Scott Alexander]

http://www.geocities.com/giantsquid1_1999/SkylineBut we should be back at the old site sometime tomorrow if we're lucky.

[Scott Alexander]

Quote:I was in here looking for the new Skyline, then like a ton of bricks this hits me. Im in a moderate mood today, so, so far this is interesting. Im a little curious though, I believe there was once a relationship between Babkha and Shireroth quite a number of years ago was there not?If I remember correctly, Shireroth and Babkha were close back in the days of Shah Babak, but then we had the lack of sense to go and join with Tymaria, and relations necessarily broke off. You re-recognized us after we split from Tymaria in the reign of Ardashir, and there were a few polite if slightly weird conversations you can find archived in your Chancellory forum; since then, however, I don't think we've had much contact, especially after the shift in foreign policy when Abbas became Vizier....and don't let it get out that you have moderate moods! You'll ruin your reputation! Edited by: Scott Siskind  at: 7/1/03 10:04 pm

[Stone Jackabar]

leave the military issues ta me thanx if the babka (sp) wish to discuss a military defensive treaty i beleive im the one to go toaim= Stone0Jackabar YAY!!! we're doooomed!!!!!!

[Bahram Gul Khuramdin]

im sorry, my coffee had worn off. Now that Im back to normal Ive already raised my objections to the military alliance. p.s. hurry up and tell me where the new skyline is, i hate visiting this place. Edited by: Bahram Gul Khuramdin  at: 7/1/03 10:10 pm

[Zirandorthel]

Bobby didn't hack the Skyline, the passwords were given to him in the biggest act of arseholeness this decade. ZirandorthelThe Golden DarknessSupreme Commander of the King's ArmiesLeader of the TMPProud Citizen of Pyramodia

[Rakesh86]

Your Imperial Majesty, Crown Princess, Dukes, Barons and fellow friends of the Imperial Republic of Shireroth, I believe there has been some confusion in relation to my dealings with your Exterior Minister over a possible treaty between our two great states. I had hoped the Crown Princess' post would have cleared up the misunderstanding, but it seems as if it did not. I have just re-read my conversation with your Exterior Minister and Crown Princess, and no where during that conversation did I mention a military alliance between the Imperial Republic and the Kingdom. When I brought up the idea of the "VR-esque" treaty between our two states, this does not mean a military alliance nor even a mutual defense pact. It is more along the lines of a mutual cooperation treaty. While the language of the V-R Pact can be interpreted many ways, it surely does not mean a military alliance. I will like to remind all that the Kingdom of Babkha and the Republic of Baracao has signed the Sche. Convention on Micronational Warfare. We do not support hacking, DOS weapons etc. This has become a plank in our foreign policy and we do not believe there is a need to change it. I however will like to invite the Imperial Republic of Shireroth to sign the Convention. Many of the great nations in our paradigm have already signed it (Attera, Politika, Babkha and Baracao). As a representative of His Majesty's Government, I am still very enthusiastic over the future relationship between the Imperial Republic and the Kingdom. I hope that in time, we can become good friends and powerful allies. My Best Regards,

[Scott Alexander]

I talked to Rakesh and he has convinced me that the V-R Pact can be interpreted many different ways, although the military alliance is certainly the way I remember everyone interpreting it way back when they signed it with Baracao. In any case, that makes it much more relevant for us, and I think it might be a good idea to consider.

[Kaiser Raynor X]

Stone... Let's leave it to the Diplomats. Though you do have some say in it.Why do you hate visiting this place? Raynor M'JiliadKaiser of Shireroth