Kildare in the Past

[Bill3000]

I have been comparing the modern map of Kildare with the map made, and have come to some interesting facts if we consider my 215 ASC map legit, fictionally. This could be quite interesting in developing the fictional history of Kildare.This also can be considered part of the Apollonia fictional history that I have been writing.For reference: img51.exs.cx/img51/7789/a...ras2of.gifhttp://www.geocities.com/microca...tical.htmlH ... lucination consists of a bit of a hybrid of some former nations. Its southern part of the mainland are the former Audente protectories of Whitlam and Telsoun. The northern part is consisted of Western Blackrock, as east as up to the city of Curragh. The major Blackrockian city in Hallucination is Bray. The islands that are part of Hallucination are former Automatic territories. It controls the small island of Microton, and on the same island as its capital is the city of Frantz, although it is on the northern part of the island. Also, the former Audente protectorite, during the UAS era, became Lesser Attera and was populated by Atterans.VervollkommnungVervolkommnung has two distinct former cultures inside it. Originally, the entire land was roughly the Great Automatic People's Republic. (Ignoring all of its colonies, which Automatica had a lot of, IIRC). Today, Northern Vervolkummnung retains its Automatic identity, while Southern Vervolkummnung is New Jasonia. New Jasonia was a former state of the Union of Apollo States, colonized in Automatica during this time period. This was feasible because Automatica's population was greatly reduced after both its fall (Many immigrated to either Blackrock or Jasonia) and the fall of Blackrock. The city of Temoe was renamed to New Kajar and is the capital of New Jasonia. The cities of New Jasonia are: New Jasonia, New Enhasa, Irvine, Casina. Other cities in Vervollkommnung include Djugagrad and Destrykara, both located in North Vervollkommnung.BlackrockObviously, Blackrock consists of... Blackrock! Although the territory was reduced dramatically; part of Southern Blackrock was given to Vervollkommnung, and Western Blackrock was given to Hallucination. The cities in Blackrock on the map (excluding the cities that Joseph has added with The Lawless, which I do not know of) are: Blackrock, Blackrock Nua, Curragh, and Booterstown. Considering the success of Blackrock as a micronation, there are probably more cities as well.Novi DalmacijaThis is rather simple. Novi Dalmacija is... Novi Dalmacija! A former colony of Istvanistan and later a state in the Union of Apollo States. Although Novi Dalmacija had lost its northern territories to the Kitanus Fields, its territory has pretty much stayed the same, unlike other areas of Kildare.Kitanus FieldsAlthough no longer part of Kildare, Kitanus Fields nevertheless has some connections with the history of Kildare. Western Kitanus Fields were as mentioned previously, northern Novi Dalmacija. Eastern Kitanus Fields, however, was the Nation of MyNation. It used to be independent, but was then invaded and split between Blackrock (which was right to the south) and the United Demesos (Right east of Kitanus Fields, not controlled by Shireroth, although Antica controls the former capital of the United Demesos, Demesos City, which apparently was renamed to Alcyon.) This is ignoring Treesia's control of MyNation past the death of Blackrock, however, and is a slight problem along with Automatica. Although these are pretty much the historical territories of their respective countries, they do not match the territories marked today. This will have to be remedied; perhaps the people migrated to these respective areas of Shireroth and Treesia?Norfolk and Gong LiAnother simple territory. Norfolk is Norfolk, Gong Li is Hau'Oli Ena and was a former province of the UAS after it was annexed into it. Norfolk is also the location of the former capital of Tymaria, Tymaria City (Although in the CoD3 timeline, Tymaria City was located in Jasonia. That isn't the timeline we are in, however.)SchlangenSchlangen was previously Erior. 'nuff said. Cities are Erior and Markopolis, a city in the mountains dating back to the old Apolyton Empire thousands of years ago.Raynor IslesPretty much stayed the same, but contains the former Audente cities of Libertopia and Biotopia. Obviously controlled by Audentior during its lifetime, although not during the Seventh Republic because it was under Shireroth's control. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. 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[Bill3000]

Cities of KildareHallucinationHallucigrad (Capital)Port HalluciBrayMicrotonFrantzLesser AtteraSagittariusBlackrockBlackrockBlackrock Nua (Capital)BooterstownCurraghVervollkommnungNew Kajar (Capital) (Formerly Temoe)DjugagradDestrykaraNew EnhasaIrvineCasinaNovi DalmacijaNigrad (Capital)AracigradAgnigradSchlangen, Norfolk, Gong Li, and Raynor IslesErior (Capital?)MarkopolisNorfolkTymaria CityLibertopiaBiotopiaHau'Oli EnaKitanus Fields (No longer part of Kildare)Kitanus City (Capital)Qel'AlasLukedugrad (Formerly Sirigrad)LamatiaMieNatio Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock. - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'As for... Quil, to be honest many of us have wondered about [him] for some time now. The real question might be why he LEFT the lance there.' - Areania, on how Quillan (Bill in EQ1) let Trombonius 'sit' on his lance"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Bill3000]

I have created a detailed map that is the combination of the previous ASC 215 map and the current Kildare map. It looks rather nice; at least I think so. Perhaps we could map this offical; Gryphon?img51.echo.cx/img51/5647/kildare4uj.gif Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock. - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'As for... Quil, to be honest many of us have wondered about [him] for some time now. The real question might be why he LEFT the lance there.' - Areania, on how Quillan (Bill in EQ1) let Trombonius 'sit' on his lance"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[King Oz I]

I want to atleast update the Halluci part Ozarka Monto - Imperial Republic of ShirerothBaron of the Barony of HallucinationAlarico Pablo Montario - The Imperial Empire of San MartinViceroy of Valentia | Minister of Justice | Owner of the Martino Intermicronational Lawfirm | High Air Marshall : San Martino Air Force

[Bill3000]

Allright then. *flex* Time to stretch my creativity muscles.There's also another land that we can place here: The Purple Bunny Federation. I would probably suggest that the historical location of it would be in North Novi Dalmaljica; close enough to MyNation in oder to have a realtionship with them (As well as the UD), and close enough to Blackrock for a threat of warfare (Remember that the PBF had a cold war with Blackrock.)Also, one more thing. Apollonian fictional history says that there were originally tribes of the lands of Apollonia which later became the nations we knew and loved. There's one tribe, however, that currently doesn't have a country: The Aquatans. The Aquatans by themselves are insignificant in their world (They didn't exist in real micronations, for one). However, they are important in Control of Destiny 2, because in an alternate dimension they rose to power and became the major force of the world rather than Audentior or Jasonia, and eventually colonized Solaria (Jasonia). There are two options that could happen with the Aquatans in this world: Either they just just a small minor power and minor heritage within Apollonia, or they became extinct. The extinction of a people is quite unrealistic, so I suggest this: There is one land that currently has no historical basis before the UAS period: Schlangen. Culturally, Aquata was a mix of Jasonia and Blackrock, and so this makes sense (Close to Blakrock and Automatica as well as the Audente colonies in Lesser Attera; Jasonia itself was a cultural mix of Audentior and Automatica, I would say, ignoring the cultural uniqueness) Thus, there is some historical (although minor) basis for Schlangen (The mainland part, that is). But this is all speculation, and obviously I'd have to see if Joe wants this (As he was, after all, the Baron of Schlangen) Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock. - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'As for... Quil, to be honest many of us have wondered about [him] for some time now. The real question might be why he LEFT the lance there.' - Areania, on how Quillan (Bill in EQ1) let Trombonius 'sit' on his lance"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);Edited by: Bill3000 at: 5/26/05 13:15

[Gryphon the Pure]

Wouldn't it make sense for the aquatans to be in, near, or about water?Why not put them as an undersea colony? That would cover the alternate dimension idea without going outside of the physical bounds of micras...in fact, if Aquata were near mainland Apollonia, but also near enough to colonize the Jasonian islands, it would make sense that they be somewhere around the central sea... which would put them just about Straylight...coincidence? I think not.As for the PBF, No.NovaD sounds good. Gryphon the Pure- Shirithian Elder - Dutch of Kildare - Minister of the Interior - High Priest of Apostrophe aka Grammar Fuhrer - Director of the Shirithian Census - Imperial Advisor -q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);

[Bill3000]

Aquata is really just a name/heritage, really. It's meant to be one of the original eight Apollonian tribes, and thus can't really be an underwater colony (And it never was anything like that in CoD2, either; just a regular empire-type with an affinity near the sea/water). Sorry for the confusion. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock. - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'As for... Quil, to be honest many of us have wondered about [him] for some time now. The real question might be why he LEFT the lance there.' - Areania, on how Quillan (Bill in EQ1) let Trombonius 'sit' on his lance"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Harvey the Blue]

Joe's right though. Aquatans were shipbuilders and sailors. They should be near water, if not beneath it. Harvey SteffkeSai'Kar's Memories LiveJournal - ranting about Shirerothian issues since fall 2004.

[Bill3000]

Schlangen is near the water. It has a coast. Plus, regarding Jasonia: Remember that it was a Flying Island. It easily could have originated in a different geographical location, which would probably make more sense anyway (How would the Jasonians arrive there? They would have just as much geographical trouble as the Aquatans had) Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock. - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'As for... Quil, to be honest many of us have wondered about [him] for some time now. The real question might be why he LEFT the lance there.' - Areania, on how Quillan (Bill in EQ1) let Trombonius 'sit' on his lance"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Gryphon the Pure]

I'm thinking the Istvanistani island is right smack dab between Kildare and Jasonia...and weren't the flying islands originally floating islands that were launched into the air? Gryphon the Pure- Shirithian Elder - Dutch of Kildare - Minister of the Interior - High Priest of Apostrophe aka Grammar Fuhrer - Director of the Shirithian Census - Imperial Advisor -q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);

[Harvey the Blue]

The official history of the FIoJ is that the Flying Islands were actually part of the territory of Pinkaria in the Automatic for the People country. Then the map changed like 842 times. Is there a convienent crater-shaped like near the AFTP or are we going to have to wing it? Harvey SteffkeSai'Kar's Memories LiveJournal - ranting about Shirerothian issues since fall 2004.

[Kaiser Alejian I]

When has map changes ever stopped us. :P

[Bill3000]

A simple solution can make it an island (with the geography of what we have as Solaria in CoD3, Harvey) close to Apollonia. Maybe to the West of Gong Li and East of the Frantz Isles. Thus, it would be very easy for it to be controlled by the Automatics (And also easy for the Aquatans in the other dimension, and the ancient Jasonians in our dimension to colonize it.) Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismQuillan Fatebane, 65th Paladin, Lanys Tvy'l Server (EQ1)Quillan Umbarcotumo, 37th Paladin, Innothule Server (EQ2)Proud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="Why do I need some cheese?";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock. - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'As for... Quil, to be honest many of us have wondered about [him] for some time now. The real question might be why he LEFT the lance there.' - Areania, on how Quillan (Bill in EQ1) let Trombonius 'sit' on his lance"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);Edited by: Bill3000 at: 5/27/05 12:19

[Jonas]

This is an old post, but very usefull!

Does anyone have these maps? The links are dead...

[Andreas the Wise]

I was just thinking that, reading it ... ah, back in the days when we talked about COD 3 all of the time ...

[hypatias mom]

I had never heard that my county, North Novi Dalmacjia, had once been the Purple Bunny Federation. I came in only knowing about the pirate village, and the Navy's main fleet headquarters. I have been unable to pierce the veil of time until now. Thanks for such an informative description, Bill. Even though you are long gone from micronations, your writings and knowledge are still leading us toward greater understanding of our Duchy.