Battle of the Karaman Sea

[Kaiser Los III]

You have just entered room "chat14222744820760254356."Ardashir Khan has entered the room.Portela007 has entered the room.Portela007: i'm hereArdashir Khan: right, let the fun as it were beginGSquid314: Hi.GSquid314: Okay, Dug, I'm calling this so we can discuss the interaction between our two fleets. Ardy's here cause he knows military stuff better than I.Portela007: lol, okayGSquid314: First of all, I don't know if you can just pick up and leave for a classified location as soon as I spot you. You've been blockading Shirerithian ships for weeks now, so it shouldn't be too hard for an RS ship to find you.GSquid314: *well, one week.Portela007: okay, this is what i had planned: i was going to attack Ozarka's awacksPortela007: okay, i understand, but the point was that i was moving to find youPortela007: and ur shipsPortela007: and attack Ozarka's AwacsGSquid314: Okay, that's great. We both want to find each other.GSquid314: So can we assume we're both found?GSquid314: And we do battle?Portela007: okay, thats fine with mePortela007: sureGSquid314: Brilliant.GSquid314: Let's do the battle now, okay?Portela007: My Airships are already airborn thoughPortela007: yea sureGSquid314: Okay, fair enough.Ardashir Khan: airplanes Dug ;-)GSquid314: Ardashir can moderate. I suggest we start by both sending Ardashir our starting formations.Portela007: okayPortela007: Ardy i sent u the infoArdashir Khan: recievedGSquid314: You got mine too?GSquid314: Okay...I'm making this up as we go along...but...why don't you tell each of us the other's moves and then we get a chance to react and make new orders to compensate.Portela007: Also, what are we going to call the battle?GSquid314: And we'll kind of work in turns until you decide who wins.GSquid314: I don't know...I don't even know where this is taking place, which would be a good start.GSquid314: p211.ezboard.com/fshirero...D=24.topicPortela007: LOL, yeah me neither... off the coast of Stormark?GSquid314: It looks like we're both near Karaman...so how about Battle of the Karaman Sea or something?GSquid314: Are your fighters going after Ozarka or myself?Portela007: they have been turned around and going after youPortela007: Kamaran sea it is thenGSquid314: Okay.GSquid314: Ardy? What's happening?Ardashir Khan: Ok, Dug's fighters are equiped for air to air combat and they have now turned about to engage a battlegroupPortela007: okay, goodGSquid314: Okay, good. Are my ships closing in on the carrier?Ardashir Khan: so I think they will improvise and go in low and fast to try and get under the shirerithian missile and point defencesGSquid314: And where are his non-carrier ships right now?Ardashir Khan: right you have his frigate and his destroyers coming at you in that order in a desperate effort to defend the carrierPortela007: Nope, to get to the carrier you're going to have to destroy all my ships practicallyPortela007: yesPortela007: the Frigate, has stopped and opened fire upon your battlegroupArdashir Khan: now these destroyers cannot match the battlecruiser for broadsides but they have missiles torpedos and their own deck gunGSquid314: Okay, the cruisers are closing in from the flank to attack whichever of his ships are on the end.Ardashir Khan: so they will try to score hits on the propulsion mechanism of the battlecruiserGSquid314: Is a battlecruiser faster or slower than destroyers and frigates? It's faster, isn't it?Portela007: 2 of the 3 destroyers stopped and turned on a different course towards the BattleshipArdashir Khan: slower - battlecruisers are faster than battleships but slower than cruisers and destroyersPortela007: well, since its bigger i think its slower right?GSquid314: Okay, my cruisers are attacking them from one side and my destroyers are attacking them from the other side. The battleship is also defending itself.GSquid314: Okay.Portela007: okay, the Airplanes are currently flying over your formation releasing their bombs... bombs are falling over youPortela007: your shipsGSquid314: I didn't think they had bombs.GSquid314: They're fighters armed for dogfight.Portela007: whatever it is they carry... lolGSquid314: All right. My anti-air destroyers are trying to get hits on them.Portela007: yes fighters, sorry, they are attacking your men on the ships, opening fire upon your ship's guns etcGSquid314: Fair enough. I'm turning my anti-air guns on them and keeping my anti-ship guns on your ships protecting the carrier.Ardashir Khan: they are trying with their infra red and heat seeking missiles but the warheads designed for shooting down planes have limited potencyGSquid314: Fair enough, but remember that three of my destroyers are dedicated anti-air. Maybe they even have that phalanx system Octavius raves about.Portela007: My Frigate is able to sneak out and opens fire on one of your anti-air destroyerGSquid314: That's fine, but that was the one protecting your carrier. My battlecruiser moves into the gap and opens fire with everything it's got, as was the plan earlier.Ardashir Khan: as the one real hope for the GC side was to score significant damage against the battlecruiser that harms the survival prospects of the carrierGSquid314: Meanwhile, my cruisers and destroyers are surrounding the frigate and destroyers so as to block them off from carrier and battlecruiserPortela007: 3 airplanes were shot and cant land, they attack kamikaze style and blows up on one of your destroyers causing major damageGSquid314: Oh, very well.Portela007: the other two, one blew up in the sky and the other attacked the same destroyerGSquid314: I fire all sorts of fancy missiles and my big 18" guns at your carrier from point blank range. Meanwhile, I still have 3 cruisers and 7 destroyers surrounding your three smaller ships and firing everything they've got at them.Portela007: inflicting major damageArdashir Khan: carrier has point defence against missilesPortela007: the rest of the airplanes back awayGSquid314: Back away to where? Back to the carrier, or in retreat to Babkhan land bases?Portela007: to the carrierGSquid314: I've been pummelling his ships for a while, Ardy. Can I have blown at least a few of them up so I can concentrate on the primary target?Portela007: My Carrier begins firing its missilesArdashir Khan: the Destroyer HMS Farzani is aflame and kneeling dangerously in the waterGSquid314: All right. The one cruiser and two destroyers that were working on it leave to join in the assault on the carrier. The anti-air destroyer is under orders to protect Erkinpoika's Revenge from the missile attack.GSquid314: Although a heavily armored battlecruiser would hopefully be able to take care of itself.Ardashir Khan: the Kamikaze attack described above occured against the WolfravenPortela007: okayGSquid314: Okay.Portela007: My Frigate is able to come back and ram your battlecruiserGSquid314: I'm still hitting the remaining destroyer and frigate with three ships each and the carrier with two ships plus battlecruiser. I intend to keep doing so until the situation changes signifcantly.GSquid314: I thought it was surrounded.Portela007: The Carrier lauches the Airplanes immediately and airplanes attack one last time then, leave towards terre d' richesGSquid314: GSquid314: I still have 3 cruisers and 7 destroyers surrounding your three smaller ships and firing everything they've got at them.GSquid314: I take some pot shots at them as they go without too much interest.Portela007: Yeah but remember that my Frigate was able to slip awayPortela007: so its not at your grasp anymorePortela007: :-)Ardashir Khan: the frigate was in the lead of the GC fleet the battlecruiser was in the centre of the Shirerithian crescentGSquid314: I said that after your frigate slipped away, and since it slipped away to a destroyer it was moving further from the battlecruiser rather than towards it.GSquid314: The battlecruiser should be away from the other Shirerithian ships because it's going against the carrier, right?GSquid314: And Dugobert put the carrier at the back so his other ships could protect it.Ardashir Khan: since both sides have got to such close quarters that have been unheard of since the American civil war I will allow a collision between the battlecruiser and the frigate - let common sense dictate who comes off worsePortela007: yes, you're right ardy.GSquid314: Okay then.\Portela007: okayGSquid314: Raesin orders sailors to do whatever they can to emergency contain damage to port side of the battlecruiser while starboard continues firing.Ardashir Khan: so as the frigate slips beneath the waves the battlecruiser still floats but may want to visit a friendly port in the near futureGSquid314: How fast was this frigate going?Portela007: yes, i think it ramed it pretty hardGSquid314: I would think it would be rather slow considering the close quarters.Portela007: almost top speedGSquid314: Not much room to accelerate.GSquid314: Especially considering that it somehow got up to this speed without any other RS ships noticing or the battlecruiser getting a chance to defend itself.Portela007: okay then, you're rightGSquid314: One would think going straight up against the side of a heavily defended battlecruiser might provoke just a little gunfire.Ardashir Khan: probably trying to escapeArdashir Khan: but it would also have slipped under the elevation of the maingunArdashir Khan: such are the disadvantages of fighting at close rangeGSquid314: All righty then. What's going on in the rest of the battle?Portela007: while the frigate is trying to retreat it fires a guided missle towards scott's BattlecruiserArdashir Khan: well I never read that the cruisers and destroyers stopped so I imagine that has developed into a pursuit rather than an encircilementPortela007: inflictling more damageGSquid314: Retreat? I thought it rammed my battlecruiser!Ardashir Khan: too close for missile to armPortela007: yesm but it is trying to get away nowPortela007: ohh rightGSquid314: Didn't Ardy mention it sinking beneath the waves at some point?Ardashir Khan: you people have gotten close enough for mess hands to be throwing cuttlery at each otherGSquid314: Which we do. Sailors onboard the Revenge take up the traditional Shirerithian battle cry. "Take up your sporks, men, and follow me to battle!"Ardashir Khan: and Stod smiles upon them that dayPortela007: okay. Making its last stand, the frigate lauches close in weapons systemGSquid314: The frigate is shark bait.GSquid314: Unless I am misreading Ardy.Ardashir Khan: that was when I was under a misaprehension as to its speedPortela007: yes, but it will make a valiant attempt at inflicting more damage on your shipGSquid314: So what you're saying is my battlecruiser wasn't harmed as much as you thought and his frigate wasn't harmed as much as you thought?Ardashir Khan: I'm taken with them bumping into each other and having a surreal cutlery fightArdashir Khan: :-PGSquid314: Okay.Portela007: okayGSquid314: My battlecruiser gets the frigate from one end and my other ships attack the frigate from the other. We're waiting to see if the destroyer retreats as we don't care about it right now. If it attacks, we counter.Portela007: the men aboard the Frigate take up their positions and fire killing many of ur men in the BattlecruiserArdashir Khan: with machine gun fire and grenades from the marine and force protection complements on each vesselGSquid314: Can I try and have my marines board the frigate?Ardashir Khan: yesGSquid314: All of my ships right now are either surrounding the frigate or firing at the carrier, although there's one watching to make sure the destroyer does indeed retreat.GSquid314: Okay. From both sides, marines board the frigate. Men from the Lapano and the Revenge, armed with guns and grenades, come on deck.Ardashir Khan: Strong hint to Dug (have a sucidal captain pull a grenade on himself in the ammo magazineArdashir Khan: *suicidalPortela007: the men aboard the frigate throw grenades into the ammo hold and blow up the frigate next to the battlecruiser Ardashir Khan: death before dishonour and all thatPortela007: yesGSquid314: All right. Does that damage the cruiser or just kill my marines?Portela007: the men left in the frigate go to the closest gun and start firing all together making their last standArdashir Khan: it might be a tad unpleasant for anyone topside on your ships parked next to the frigate scottPortela007: bothGSquid314: Is my ship knocked into the aircraft carrier?Ardashir Khan: well they've been blown up, that was their last standArdashir Khan: no because your still able to use your 18" against itGSquid314: Okay, good. Well then, I'm just working on sinking that carrier.GSquid314: I'm letting Dug retreat his destroyer so that he can continue participating, but if he attacks, I'll destroy it.Ardashir Khan: unless bits of exploded frigate interfere with the turret mechanismGSquid314: Nah, we have janitors for that.GSquid314: Nik Raesin demands surrender of aircraft carrier. It is surrounded by 8-ish ships.Portela007: The last of the people in the frigate jumped out and board the last destroyer and take up arms ready to finish off the battlecruiserPortela007: Okay, did i destroy any of your ships yet? or what?GSquid314: Oh for Christ's sake...Ardashir Khan: janitors remove the lumps of metal lodged in the turret mechanism which hinders its traverse and ability to target?Ardashir Khan: ;-)GSquid314: I don't know whether the destroyer you've kamikazed is sunk or just crippled.GSquid314: The battlecruiser is merely enraged.GSquid314: Repeat. We DEMAND SURRENDER. If the captain refuses to surrender, we would like to kindly suggest mutiny.Portela007: well, the two airplanes were rather big so either your destroyer is destroyed or not going to be able to attackArdashir Khan: not sunk but how shall we say... burnt out shell in placesGSquid314: Okay.Portela007: okay, what ships do i have left over?GSquid314: Destroyer and carrier, both beat up. Carrier's surrounded and I'm waiting to see if your destroyer retreats or attacks.Ardashir Khan: the carrier is probably close enough for its point defence cannon to be used against the enemy or at least any enemy personnel in the command tower or topsideGSquid314: Nik Raesin hastily gets somewhere other than the command tower.Portela007: Okay. The men aboard the Carrier seeing how their fleet has been almost destroyed, take up arms firing at the nearest vesselGSquid314: How many ships does it take to sink one bloody carrier?Ardashir Khan: well if you had stayed even 10 miles distant that wouldn't have been a problemGSquid314: What do you mean?Ardashir Khan: ah of course the 18" guns well perhaps you want the carrier as a prizeGSquid314: Transmission to destroyer: This is your LAST CHANCE to retreat. Otherwise we open fire.GSquid314: (and we're bombarding the carrier with all we've got as say this)Portela007: The Destroyer, begins to back away from the carrier slowlyArdashir Khan: as to the destroyer I say it should open up and take say the Sara-Nyl with it to see Davy JonesGSquid314: Don't these people ever surrender, or do they all have a crazy death wish?Ardashir Khan: they work for meArdashir Khan: go figureGSquid314: We will offer them all space in our Ardashir Protection Program, complete with new identities!GSquid314: :-)Portela007: then, when it is distant enough, it begins to speed up heading towards the Sara NylPortela007: opening fire with all they've gotPortela007: and then launching 3 torpedoesArdashir Khan: 1) I doubt they'd let it reverse 2) the Sara Nyl is probably close enough for all that as isGSquid314: Sara-Nyl instead retreats back to main fleet, refusing to be drawn into one-on-one.GSquid314: What?Ardashir Khan: not the speeding up part but the catching the full force of the defiant suicidal last volleyGSquid314: Have we sunk the carrier yet?Ardashir Khan: It's a flame and keeling, personnel are jumping into the waterPortela007: the armed helicopter in the back of the destroyer begins to go in the air firing all its missiles at the Sara NylGSquid314: ECM activated.GSquid314: The battlecruiser remains pumping lead into the carrier, everyone else opens fire against destroyer, hoping to sink it before it can do any damage to Sara-Nyl.Portela007: the 2 of the 3 torpedoes hit the Sara Nyl inflicting damage and causing the Sara Nyl to be temporarily paralyzedGSquid314: Armed helicopters launch from Erkinpoika's Revenge and also shoot destroyer.GSquid314: So Ardy, I guess your decision is how badly the Sara-Nyl is damaged before we get the destroyer.Ardashir Khan: Erkinpoika's helicopters were done for by exploding frigate syndromePortela007: yesGSquid314: All of them? Bah.GSquid314: Fine. If he can have helicopters on a destroyer, so can I, and I still have 7 destroyers. So those ones attack.Ardashir Khan: flight deck debris, time... yes you can do thatPortela007: The destroyer's Captain David Morane stood up and ordered for 2 other torpedoes to be fired at the battlecruiserGSquid314: We fire about twenty or thirty torpedos total at the destroyer.Ardashir Khan: distance for the torpedos to arm?Ardashir Khan: likewisePortela007: and also ordered for 2 heat seeking missiles at the sara nylGSquid314: Sara-Nyl turns on air-conditioning.Ardashir Khan: again distance people!Portela007: the captain orders shortly for the rest of the Torpedoes to be firedPortela007: we're still distant from the Sara NylArdashir Khan: you realise that these torpedos and missiles are going to be hitting each other as duds?GSquid314: Sara Nyl takes ECM and whatever sort of evasive action you can against torpedos in close quarters which is likely not much.GSquid314: Fine. We still have 10 times the conventional firepower.GSquid314: Cruisers launch longish-range missiles at destroyer.Ardashir Khan: surely shortish range would be better?Portela007: The Captain of the destroyer orders the ECM to be turned on and counter the torpedoes headed towards the destroyerArdashir Khan: you all seem to be inside 5 mile square boxGSquid314: Okay, fine, shortish range. Longish range is shortish range depending on definition of "ish"GSquid314: Just meant that they were real missiles rather than these guns we seem to be using most of the time.GSquid314: *sigh* How I wish I had a tactical nuke.Ardashir Khan: feel free to nuke your own fleet anytime ;-)Portela007: short range guns launch a massive strike at the Sara Nyl, at this point the Sara Nyl begins to sink slowlyPortela007: yeah feel free :-)GSquid314: Ardy, can you confirm sinking slowly? I personally really wonder how he sinks my ship before I sink his when I have ten times the firepower.Portela007: Well, my Helicopter blew on top of it, plus the torpedoes, plus the strikes, what else do i have to do?GSquid314: I don't know. I'm wondering the same thing launching seven helicopters, six times the torpedos, and ten times the firepower at you.Portela007: I only sunk one of ur ships and ur sinkin' all of em, dont cry about it sport. ;-)Portela007: all of minesGSquid314: Ardashir?Ardashir Khan: I think they are both sinkingPortela007: LOL okayArdashir Khan: the Sara Nyl slowly, but Dug's destroyer in a massive fireballGSquid314: Bah. Then I launch a rescue effort to evacuate the troops from the Sara-Nyl.GSquid314: The destroyer, having refused two different reasonable offers of surrender, gets none.Portela007: the people in the destroyer jump off to the water with their guns in the water they open fire on the crew members of the Sara NylGSquid314: ...it's five miles away.GSquid314: Handguns don't shoot five miles.GSquid314: And it was destroyed in a fireball.Portela007: okay, fineGSquid314: Shirerithian First Fleet retreats towards Norfolk for rest and repair. Casualties are the Sara-Nyl, a bit of damage to the Wolfraven, and some damage to the Erkinpoika's Revenge including helicopters. Crew losses moderate.GSquid314: How many planes did you lose?Portela007: so the heat seeking missles did hit itArdashir Khan: actually you'll be towing the Wolfraven old chapPortela007: 3Ardashir Khan: hold on I'll checkPortela007: the rest of the Airplanes left to Terre D'richesArdashir Khan: that engagement was fairly leathal we need to factor in enemy anti-aircraftPortela007: okay so about 7?GSquid314: Seven sounds good.Portela007: okay, i have a lil question for ya scottGSquid314: Sure, although I have to go in a few minutes, didn't expect it to take this long.Ardashir Khan: ok sevenPortela007: i was looking over in SNARL... where exactly are Ozarka's airplanes heading?GSquid314: He's heading back to Halluci in Shireroth proper because he thinks he can get more planes there. I just told him he can't, but he so far hasn't changed course.Portela007: what did he mean by this: I would also say considering my people were inthe air BEFORE the Babkhans.. that they probably lost a large majority." ' GSquid314: I have no idea. Why don't you ask him - his sn is CJHHootOwl91Ardashir Khan: Let me know the answer when you do - Extreme is well extremely puzzled by that postGSquid314: I'm going to go eat now...if you have any problems in your conversation with him, just post it on the SNARL forum and I'll take a look.

[extreme007]

kaiser.... those 8 planes that made it back..well.. i am going to be sending them in the air to extract their revenge... but the timing is somewhere like this:its BEFORE you get back to Norfolk for repairings and all.. i believe your flagship is quite crippled and in need of repairs and new cutlery equipment.. also, some of the destroyers are also quite badly damaged....but its After:the air battle on Acre is over... (which it is)eoin posts about the condition he is in... nate does something/whatever in the seas near Acre..so, basically.. you should be careful of what you wish for (your character wanted to battle me right?), for you may just get that! Discover, Invent, Theories, Experiment,Advance Science,Advance Extremism,(in Karnali, Republic of)

[Kaiser Los III]

Well, if you check the post in the Jaris War forum, I say I'm sending them back roundabout to avoid you because I figure you'll try something like that, but if you can find me, go ahead.I plan to make it back to Norfolk in game tomorrow afternoon Shireroth time, so try it before then.

[extreme007]

then do i have permission to post my battle plan now (or before your post)?here's a few things that forbid me from posting now:eoin has to reply,nate has to reply,ozarka has to reply.now, technically, using ingame time, ozarka has only a few minutes (at max 1 hour) of fuel on his planes.. eoin isn't much of a threat to me... so, i guess i could excuse him.. and nate still has quite a bit to go with his aircrafts (about 30 minutes of flight before he reaches land?) to attack me..so, will it be fair to assume that from my last post (in narwhal's tusk) that all my aircrafts made it back? i had ordered that since nate's units were detected, i was to fly my planes back after they performed their duty... and with respect to ozarka, well. he's flying around in circles.. and if he does come after me, then i only have to outrun him.. his fuel is bound to run out before mine... and thus, i could fly circles along with him... and still win.so.. can i post now with all my 24 planes intact? (25th one which was damaged in the first strike on nafticon is being repaired as i said in one of my posts.. it should be available within another 2/3 real world days.) and oh, i do get those 8 more from dugobert. Discover, Invent, Theories, Experiment,Advance Science,Advance Extremism,(in Karnali, Republic of)

[extreme007]

and... uh.. how long before you post roughly in real world time? like 6 hours? 12? Discover, Invent, Theories, Experiment,Advance Science,Advance Extremism,(in Karnali, Republic of)

[Kaiser Los III]

Actually, I'm thinking that we should probably just agree to have the battle whenever we're on and forget about real-world time differences, considering that according to ship speeds in the charter I should have made it to Norfolk already but you were justifiably waiting to attack until you had figured results of your other operations. So let's agree that the battle "actually" took place tonight when my ships were still on their way to Norfolk no matter when it is we actually decide what happened. If you haven't heard from the other guys yet, we can assume you have your full complement of planes without it necessarily being my endorsement that you came out of those battles unscathed if Eoin or Ozarka chooses to protest later.I recommend tomorrow, around 13:00 or 14:00 according to the time on these boards. We can't communicate because I don't have AIM and you don't have MSN, but maybe we could work either via Ardashir or the chat here.How many hours warning am I likely to have of your planes' arrival? If I can spot you on the radar, I might call for help from Nate, who's also around Norfolk, but if I don't see you until you're on top of me then he won't be able to send anything in time. Edited by: Kaiser Los III at: 8/16/05 3:50

[extreme007]

actually.. since you are allowing me to go at my next mission with a full complement, (unless offcourse eoin or ozarka has posted already) then i will write it up now....secondly... just as a curiosity... if the trip from natopia to norfolk takes 1 day at full speed, then the trip from Karaman to Norfolk, which is about just less than half the distance, should take 8 to 10 hours at full speed.... but with quite a few badly damaged ship, i think that it should probably take about 13 to 14. maybe more... would you agree?? which would put you in norfolk, or near nate's ship at around 10 or 12 in the morning/noon (if you and dugobert had a fight at about 4 AM simultaneous with Acre battle). Discover, Invent, Theories, Experiment,Advance Science,Advance Extremism,(in Karnali, Republic of)

[Kaiser Los III]

Okay, I'm reading your post now...Am I correct that both of your groups of fighters that will attack me are going to attack Nate first, so that you'll have to settle the battle with him before you can get to me? How close are you imagining our fleets as being at the time that you attack Nate?Greg is currently leading an infantry battalion that's in Norfolk right now. He doesn't have much in the way of anti-air, but he says he has a few rocket launchers and the town itself (being a major military port) should have anti-aircraft guns, so I'm going to let him rp the defense of Norfolk. I am assuming when you say you attack Norfolk you mean Tymaria City, its main port.I'm in the Shireroth forum chat right now (on the top, go to Join Live Chat) if you want to talk.After those two are done, we can figure out how many planes you've got left and you can attack my fleet. Unless I am close enough to Nate to come to his defense, in which case I will probably be doing so, on the theory that you probably will attack me later and it's better to have the two of us together for added defense. Edited by: Kaiser Los III at: 8/16/05 13:57