Feudal Holdings Act IV.5 Part III

[Phoenix the Risen]

III. NoblesQuote:G. Ruling Nobles and Spouses.1. A Duchy may have both a Duke and Duchess at once, and a Barony may have both a Baron and Baroness. However, one of them will be the official holder of the title and entitled to participate in government affairs, whereas the other will have the title only as a symbol of his or her relation to the other. The former noble will be known as the Ruling Noble of the fiefdom. The latter noble may have powers granted to him or her by the Ruling Noble of the fiefdom.H. Revolts and Rebellions.1. If there is a revolt against the Kaiser, it is the duty of all Nobles to help suppress it. If there is a revolt in a Duchy against the legitimately appointed Duke, it is the duty of the national government and any loyalist Barons to suppress it. If there is a revolt in a Barony, it is the duty of the Duke or Duchess to suppress it, although the federal government will help it asked. However, none of these duties apply if the revolt is within a single noble house.I. Multiple Titles of Nobility.1 No Shirithian shall rule over more than one subdivision with a single exception. In the event that a subdivision is without a ruling Noble, the ruling Noble of the subdivision above it shall take rule over the vacant subdivision. The citizens of the subdivision shall have one Shirithian week to decide upon a new ruling Noble, after which time, the subdivision goes under the direct control of the Kaiser until a new Noble is appointed.Amended to:Quote:G. Ruling Nobles and Honourary Nobles.1. Ruling Nobles.a. All Dukes and Barons appointed by the procedures listed in sections C and D shall be known as the "Ruling Nobles" of their respective subdivisions.b. A Ruling Noble may override any decision or action made by any of his Honourary Nobles.2. Honourary Nobles.a. The spouse of a Ruling Noble shall be granted a title of Nobility of the same level and power over the same realm as the Ruling Noble. Such nobles shall be known as "Honourary Nobles".b. Honourary Nobles shall have all the powers of their Ruling Noble except the Landsraad vote.c. In the case of a Ruling Noble's abscence, if he has any Honourary Nobles, the primary shall be automatically considered his emissary.d. These clauses may vary due to pre-nuptual agreements.H. Revolts and Rebellions.1. If there is a Revolt against the Kaiser, it is the duty of all Nobles to help suppress it.2. If there is a revolt in a Duchy against the legitimately appointed Duke, it is the duty of the national government and any loyalist Barons to suppress it.3.If there is a revolt in a Barony, it is the duty of the Duke or Duchess to suppress it, although the federal government will help it asked.4.none of these duties apply if the revolt is within a single noble house.I. Multiple Titles of Nobility.1 No Shirithian shall rule over more than one subdivision with a single exception. In the event that a subdivision is without a ruling Noble, the ruling Noble of the subdivision above it shall take rule over the vacant subdivision. The citizens of the subdivision shall have one Shirithian week to decide upon a new ruling Noble, after which time, the subdivision goes under the direct control of the Kaiser until a new Noble is appointed. Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Phoenix the Risen]

Kildare votes YEA (6) Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Yardistan Votes Yea (4) -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Zirandorthel]

So should I move the combined Act to the Archive, Phoen? Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Phoenix the Risen]

Yessir, please sir ; ) Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Kaiser Mors III]

Hold up.. qua? I go missing for 6 days and things happen? huh? quois?! Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

[Rakesh86]

Alexandretta votes AYE (2)

[Scott Alexander]

Hyperborea AYE (3) "I am a verb" - Buckminster Fuller

[Emir of Raspur]

Elwynn (3) Aye

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Erik: I think you need to appoint a steward that is here more often than you are. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Zirandorthel]

That's not me, is it? Cos I have nothing to do with this thread except tallying votes, and that doesn't have to happen for another day. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Kaiser Mors III]

Nay, Brookshire (4)Spouses shouldn't automatically get the powers of the nobles they marry. They should only get them if they are granted to them... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Erik: See III.G.1.d. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Phoenix the Risen]

Not to sound all Republican conservative or anything, but...The point of this bill is to make the act of Marriage stronger in the RS. This way Marriage can be used as a political tool (which is the main reason for legal Marriage) just as well as an act of love. If anyone doesn't want to give their spouse those powers, then this bill provides for amendment due to Pre-Nuptual agreements. Note that it doesn't say -how- Pre-Nups are arranged. If we get down to writing some actual Marriage laws, then can we decide that. For the meanwhile, the Ruling Noble is still above his Honourary Nobles.Also think - if you aren't marrying for politics, and you can't trust your spouse with your own political power... then what in the world are you marrying for?However, the main point of this bill is not to define Marriage Laws so much as provide for Honourary Nobility in general. In this way, say if Fax or CinC Patrick showed up, I could still grant him Honourary Dutchship over Kildare, but still retain my own status. (Or for more examples, Raglan with Loth, FHL with Yardistan, Mari with Elwynn, et cetera).Bottom line, the Marriage issue is not what I'm going for here, and if it does pose a problem, it can be fixed by simply defining more clearly the laws of Marriage in the IRS. Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Gman Russell]

BAM votes aye (2)

[Eriana Moon]

Lunaris (2) Arr I mean Aye :-) Baroness of Lunaris in The Republic of ShirerothBaroness-Councilor of Tallandor-New Barbary in Treesia

[Scott Alexander]

Edited due to my being an idiot. Edited by: Scott Siskind  at: 1/16/04 12:23 pm

[Emir of Raspur]

Scott, you've already voted...

[Scott Alexander]

Wow, you're right. Sorry. Too much stress recently. I promise this is the last time I will vote on this particular act. "I am a verb" - Buckminster Fuller

[Zirandorthel]

Voting is hereby closed:Aye 22Nay 4Abstain 0This act is passed, with an Aye percentage of 85%. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras