Impersonation of the Kaiser Amendment Act.

[Zirandorthel]

Something that has annoyed me extremely, and I think every right-minded Shirerithian citizen who has ever seen it, is this passage from the LawBook. If you have not seen it before, than feel free to revile it as you see it:Quote:V. The Kaiser. A. Impersonating the Kaiser1. It is against the law to impersonate the Kaiser.2. Punishment will be upon capture, and may include but is not limited to any of the following:a. Elf-snuggling unto death.b. Decapitation by the rightful Kaiser.c. Banningd. Public ridicule.e. All of the above.I propose this passage should be changed to:Quote:V. The Kaiser. A. Impersonating the Kaiser1. It is against the law to impersonate the Kaiser.2. Punishment will be upon capture, and may include but is not limited to any of the following:a. Banningb. Public ridicule.c. Both of the above.I do not feel comfortable, in a humane society such as ours, with submitting even impersonators to such a villific fate as elf-snuggling, invented, let me remind you, by a lying manipulator. As Prætor, I ask ye to vote Aye, Nay or Abstain, as per usual. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'TarasEdited by: Zirandorthel at: 1/11/04 9:08 am

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Thank goodness we are still trying to erase Sirithil's marks from out government.I support this bill, but I would also suggest the removal of decapitation before the voting commences, as we can't really do that, except in a post notifying the populace that a violator has been banned and then adding a bit of RP into it. However, public ridicule and banning are completely acceptable recourses. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Zirandorthel]

Well, I thought I'd leave it in to express my own opinion that elf-snuggling unto death is in fact worse than decapitation, but I suppose we could take it out. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Emir of Raspur]

I would support this bill but for the fact that I strongly wish for decapitation to remain on the statutes book.

[Zirandorthel]

Actually, I'd also like to change this section:Quote:4. It is still legal to impersonate the Kaiser or pretend to the throne of the Kaiser if the real Kaiser says you can. But when the real Kaiser returns pretty much anything can happen, up to and including Civil Rec-war, withholding of elf-snuggles, and the merciless slaughter of your supporters.Since our present Kaiser doesn't strike me as the elf-snuggling type in the first place, I think the reference to it should be withdrawn, and perhaps a bloodier reference to the punishment of their enemies inserted, thus:Quote:4. It is still legal to impersonate the Kaiser or pretend to the throne of the Kaiser if the real Kaiser says you can. But when the real Kaiser returns pretty much anything can happen, up to and including Civil Rec-war, decapitation of yourself and your lieutenants, the ravishment of your women, the burnings of your dwellings and animals, and the merciless slaughter of your supporters. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Gryphon Avocatio]

yeah...i don't really care...so long as you get rid of the elf-snuggles... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Emir of Raspur]

Barony of Elwynn (3) Aye, with lashings of blood for everyone.

[Zirandorthel]

Okay then, unless anyone would like to vote Nay, this Act will pass at midnight tonight. I think that's right, anyway, four days, right? Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Phoenix the Risen]

Kildare votes NAY (6)Mostly because the act was modified after it was proposed and I'm unclear as to what exactly we're voting on. Don't expect me to change my vote in this thread. Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Zirandorthel]

Well then, unless someone else votes Aye, then this vote will fail by midnight tonight.You're just being bitter cos you had to split up your precious Land Reform thingy, Phoen Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Scott Alexander]

Hyperborea AYE (3)THE BILL LIVES!!! "I am a verb" - Buckminster Fuller

[Kaiser Mors III]

AYE!. Brookshire (4)IT LIVES!!!!!!!!!!! Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

[Rakesh86]

Alexandretta votes NAY (2)What are we voting on exactly?

[Emir of Raspur]

To remove elf-snuggles from the list of unrealisable punishments

[Eriana Moon]

Lunaris (2) Nay I too am unclear... Baroness of Lunaris in The Republic of ShirerothBaroness-Councilor of Tallandor-New Barbary in Treesia

[Phoenix the Risen]

Okay, I have a real reason for voting against this now...By removing the clauses of Elf-Snuggling and Decapitation, this bill sets a Precedent for the removal of Cruel and Unusual Punishment from our system. This would be only one step towards the feared and hated system of *gasp* HUMAN RIGHTS!!!Shireroth does not stand for justice and equality! Shireroth stands for power and oppression! For the sake of our nation, I plead that you vote down this act before it defiles our lawbooks and lessens the power of our name!KILDARE's vote STANDS at NAY (6) Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Gryphon Avocatio]

What the fuck are you babbling about? Elf snuggles were just some stupid and pointless bs that siri came up with. As for decapatation, it's impractical and impossible...Yardistan: AYE (4) -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Zirandorthel]

Well, the vote is closed, and it looks like the Ayes have it:Aye 14Nay 10Abstain 0Aye wins, with 58% of the vote. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

[Phoenix the Risen]

I move that this act be revoked and stricken from the record as it was modified multiple times after the voting had commenced, in direct violation of the lawbook Article IV, Section B, Part 2, Clause c:"Bills and acts may not be modified in any way after voting has begun, except to fix errors in grammar or spelling." Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

[Gryphon Avocatio]

But the bill was not modified after voting started...in fact, all suggestions were added before any votes were cast. I do see that the wording can be abit of a problem here...time to write a new bill. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

[Kaiser Mors III]

Whee... one step closer to removing the ill legacy of Siri.. though I kinda did like Him/her/it... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth