Treaty with Menelmacar: Withdrawl.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

On what grounds...enlighten me O miniex Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - ...Hey you!/I'll make your dreams come true/I can take you anywhere/Just call on me and I'll be there/Follow me/Satisfaction guaranteed/We'll be in perfect harmony/So follow me, follow me/Where do we go from here?/Reaching our destiny's end/And nothing will remain/Follow me/To the land of make believe/Close your eyes I will be there/And I can take you anywhere...

[UEC]

Well.. I don't like em much. and the nation isn't what it was when we signed the treaty. It's a WHOLE different nation. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GS

[UEC]

I recomend that we withdraw from the following treaty that we have entered into with the Imperium of Menelmacar.pub9.ezboard.com/fshirero...D=12.topic E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSEdited by: UEC  at: 1/2/03 10:46:41 pm

[Gryphon Avocatio]

If the government suffers a huge change (=collapse, make new government)...shouldn't the treaty be null and void anyway? Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - ...Hey you!/I'll make your dreams come true/I can take you anywhere/Just call on me and I'll be there/Follow me/Satisfaction guaranteed/We'll be in perfect harmony/So follow me, follow me/Where do we go from here?/Reaching our destiny's end/And nothing will remain/Follow me/To the land of make believe/Close your eyes I will be there/And I can take you anywhere...

[ErosDarkstar]

Technically, no, it's not null and void. One side has to formally withdraw from it.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

We should write that into our treaties...null and void with massive government change...oh yeahAYE Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - ...Hey you!/I'll make your dreams come true/I can take you anywhere/Just call on me and I'll be there/Follow me/Satisfaction guaranteed/We'll be in perfect harmony/So follow me, follow me/Where do we go from here?/Reaching our destiny's end/And nothing will remain/Follow me/To the land of make believe/Close your eyes I will be there/And I can take you anywhere...

[UEC]

Did I mention I generally don't like the nation anymore?Would the new government of Shireroth count as such a change? E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GS

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Technically, no...I'm thinking a clause talking about if the nation collapses and the government dies...and then they manage to start it again...Or somebody takes over...like a gov'nt changing suddenly from democracy to empire...and that new king ousts everybody and changes teh government...since a government is all that most micronations are...if the government gets completely restructured so that we are dealing with something entirely different then that which we entered the treaty with, then the treaty should become invalid, or instantly come up for review...because in theory, a different government agreed to it on the other side... Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - ...Hey you!/I'll make your dreams come true/I can take you anywhere/Just call on me and I'll be there/Follow me/Satisfaction guaranteed/We'll be in perfect harmony/So follow me, follow me/Where do we go from here?/Reaching our destiny's end/And nothing will remain/Follow me/To the land of make believe/Close your eyes I will be there/And I can take you anywhere...

[UEC]

Well.. In theory we went from a Empire to a Republic..type... government. We ditch the Kaiser, for an elected official.. who isn't me.... ect... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GS

[Mattlore Devious]

I'm gonna be all useful and stuff and vote....Abstain*cough*

[Gryphon Avocatio]

But the essential structure did not change...I'm talking complete overhaul...not change in leadership... Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - Illuminati You've come to take control You can take my heartbeat But you can't break my soul We all shall be free Illuminati You'll never take control Your new world order Will lead to none at all We all stand before you as one Heaven is for everyone To be free from the dark -Gamma Ray, Induction

[UEC]

Technically... Menelmacar only changed leadership... and personality. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GS

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I thought the government collapsed...and they completely rebuilt... Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - Illuminati You've come to take control You can take my heartbeat But you can't break my soul We all shall be free Illuminati You'll never take control Your new world order Will lead to none at all We all stand before you as one Heaven is for everyone To be free from the dark -Gamma Ray, Induction

[UEC]

Same constitution. Just new leader, and new way of running it, in side the old constitution. They aren't very nice. And Archy is an idiot...hehe E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GS

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Well...it was just a thought...not that it applies to menel... Gryphon Avocatio - Steward of Shireroth- Bard of Istvanistan - Anarch of Yardistan - High Priest of BO0O/\/\/\/\ism! - King of the Cool Short Sig! - Illuminati You've come to take control You can take my heartbeat But you can't break my soul We all shall be free Illuminati You'll never take control Your new world order Will lead to none at all We all stand before you as one Heaven is for everyone To be free from the dark -Gamma Ray, Induction

[ErosDarkstar]

Passes, 1 in favor, 0 nays, 1 abstain.We are no longer in a treaty with Menelmacar.

[Gryphon the Pure]

if I had edit priveleges here, I would change the link at the top, but I don't so I can't. Here is the link to the treaty which was revoked:pub9.ezboard.com/fshirero...D=84.topic Raised by a family of Griffins in the forests of Llanowar, this young mage is rumored to be the sole male born of the Serra tribe.