Imperial Decree #200: A New Feudal System for Shireroth

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[Kaiser Yarad I]

On this day, Morsday the 14th of Vanchauslurk, upon which we celebrate the birth of Istvanistan and that of our most cherished and beloved (disclaimer) citizen, Scott Alexander of Yardistan (but really Hyperborea), it is hereby decreed:- That the new feudal system is hereby in place in accordance with the following proposal:Quote:Fiefdoms and Nobles:a) Fiefdoms of Shireroth shall consist of Counties, Baronies, Duchies and Thanedoms, as described in the following sections.b) Nobles of Shireroth shall consist of the Minor Nobility, the Lesser Nobility, and the Greater Nobility, as described in the following sections.Lesser Nobility and Commoners:a) At entry level into Shireroth, citizens will be granted the rank of Commoner.b) Once a new citizen proves themselves as a citizen in Shireroth, they will be granted the rank of Count by the Kaiser.c) Counts shall be considered members of the Lesser Nobility, and as such cannot vote in the Landsraad.d) Lesser Nobility shall each be granted a plot of land by the Kaiser, known as a County.Greater Nobility:a) The Greater Nobility of Shireroth shall consist of Barons and Dukes.b) A Baron shall be a Count of Shireroth who, in contract with at least one other Count, up to a maximum of three other Counts, is granted the authority to rule over the Counties constituent to the contract. Zir rule shall be deemed a Barony.c) A Duke shall be a Baron of Shireroth who, in contract with at least one other Baron, is granted the authority to rule over the Baronies, Counties, and Manors constituent to the contract or a Count who, in contract with at least four other Counts, is granted the authority to rule over the Baronies and Counties constituent to the contract. Zir rule shall be deemed a Duchy.Landsraad Votes:a) The Landsraad shall consist of the Greater Nobility of Shirerothb) A non-subservient Baron receives one vote for each County within Zir fiefdom (including zir own County) and one extra vote for owning the title of Baron. This is to a maximum of five votes per independent Baron.c) A Duke receives one vote for every County within zir Duchy, one vote for every subservient Barony within zir Duchy (not counting zir own), an extra two votes for being a Duke, and also receives the pre-alliance votes of zir subservient Barons. These last votes may be leased or gifted back to the subservient Baron according to the contract written up between the two Nobles upon allying.d) Counts are not permitted to speak unless authority is granted because of a position of theirs such as Minister.Marriage and Joint Nobil[/b]a) Joint Nobility shall be established with the contractual Marriage of Nobles.b) Nobles who share Joint Nobility may act as Nobles of each others' Fiefdoms, with restrictions as defined within their Marriage contract.- That the Imperial Charter be changed by the Kaiser to conform with these new changes.- That a new forum called the Noble Commons be created to fulfill the purpose of an arena for intra-nobility alliances, dalliances, communication and as a place for unallied Counts to hang out in. - That all existing fiefdoms have three days to provide an alliance contract either to the Noble Commons, or face forced dissolution by the Kaiser.- That all unclaimed land (ie. a land that does not have a Count ruling it within three days) will be subsumed into the Shirelands, and therefore become the demesne of the Kaiser, to be allotted to Counts as the Kaiser wishes.- That the most current edition of the Map of Shireroth as compiled by Lord Bill of Antya, Imperial Cartographer, will be used in determining the amount of territory available for allotment to new Counties, and the votes that fiefdoms may receive.- That this is not the end. Watch for the storm.By my hand,His Niftiness, Yarad, First of the Name, Kaiser of Shireroth, Protector of Comstokia, Overlord of the Duchies of Brookshire, Kildare and Yardistan, Thane of the Shirelands, Keeper of the Apollo Legacy, Grand Master of the Orders of the Dragon, Griffin, Phoenix, and Chimera, Wielder of Vengeance, Count of Shirekeep, Knight of the Sunburst, Kampioen of Shireroth, Recipient of the Grand Collar of the Nishan i-Rastakhiz, Knight Companion of the Most Magnificent Imperial Order of the Sovereign Viking Crown, Lieutenant of Blackrock, Prince of Hvalafell Scion of Kalir, and Lord of the Golden Mango Throne. Edited by: Kaiser Yarad I at: 11/9/05 8:40

[AngelGuardian93]

There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Can you explain who has which counties and/or how counties are distributed among people?

[Kaiser Yarad I]

I was hoping that the fief lords could tell me.Basically what I need is for each Duchy to have at least four Counties within it, and each Barony to have at least two. Normal citizens no longer count towards feudal stature.Looking at the likes of Kildare, it seems that people have solved this problem unwittingly already. Most people are Count or Countess of somewhere, if they've been here for any length of time.If you do not have a County, you have three days to consult your Duke/Duchess before the authority to dole out Counties is removed from their hands and you have to talk to me.At the moment, I'm relying on alliance contracts stipulating which Counties are allied into which fiefdoms. That will make it easier to sort all this out.PS. No thanks for birthday wishes? Is a Portugese phrasebook forgotten so easily?

[Scott of Hyperborea]

¡Ampère-hora, direita; obrigado muito muito para seus desejos amáveis do aniversário, Rei!

[RicLyon]

My Lord Kaiser,Three days is a bit short. With six different counties in my Duchy it will take time to hear each count's opinion and find a solution we're all happy with. It will be difficult for Elwynn to full-heartedly comply with the Imperial Decree if we're rushed into doing anything.Respectfully I ask that you increase the time-limit by two more days, giving every county a chance to in peace negotiate contracts of alliance.Rushing into things may cause disputes within Duchies and Baronies. I still meet conflicting pieces of information on whether Elwynn is obliged to create baronies or not in order to remain a duchy, and whether two of Elwynn's counties have a border disagreement is a ducal or federal matter.I ask for your consideration. Edited by: RicLyon at: 11/8/05 7:01

[Kaiser Yarad I]

Duke Andelarion,Three days is not a very short time, many people had the alliance contract in the Noble Commons by the evening of the day I decreed the above.However, since I am aware of the unfortunate referendum system that is extant within your current fiefdom, I will grant Elwynn clemency until next Monday.By Tuesday I want to see an alliance contract in the Noble Commons. Bear in mind that if certain Counts do not sign it, then they are not considered as far as the feudal system is concerned, being merely citizens of your fiefdom.

[RicLyon]

My Lord Kaiser,I thank you wholeheartedly. By Monday there will be Elwynnese contracts, and then a new dawn for Shireroth can truly begin under the wise and noble leadership of you, my Lord Kaiser. Richard LyonYansha Elaer Kyon gef ShanPernem kahn gef kuymal per varga stiPernem kahn gef varga per kuymal sti

[Kaiser Yarad I]

Impudence, it has already begun. By Monday, you will be partaking of it fully, that is all.

[RicLyon]

Two questions, My Lord:Does Elwynn have to be divided into baronies in order to remain a duchy?If no, can Elwynn at a later point divide itself into baronies?

[Hypatia Agnesi]

I have posted in the Noble Commons a contract uniting my mom's county and my own into a barony (the Barony of Kildare), since I am holding her lands in trust while she is in the hospital. She is planning on being home before Christmas, and the proposal allows her to leave the Barony at any time and for any reason. I am notifying you here since she is not able to sign the contract herself, and I wanted direct Kaiserial approval for this alliance. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[Kaiser Yarad I]

Ric: No and yes.Hypatia: Of course, there's no problem with that at all.

[RicLyon]

Tack.

[RicLyon]

One other thing, sir... The decree has a heading of "greater nobility", but the articles under it talks about "lesser nobility".

[Kaiser Yarad I]

Hush, it never happened.

[jdsager]

Kaiser, as you spoke to me about, I am fully in support of Comstokia being the county of Comstokia, I was just was unclear after reading this if it is still in the jurisdiction of Kildare or if that changes as well? Either way, I am looking forward to a more permanent role in Shireroth.

[Hypatia Agnesi]

Feel free to ally yourself with us. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[vasroixe]

I think this is an excellent proposal. It's a great incentive for people to participate more. One correction, however, needs to be made:Quote:b) A Baron shall be a Count of Shireroth who, in contract with at least one other Count, up to a maximum of three other Counts, is granted the authority to rule over the Counties constituent to the contract. Zir rule shall be deemed a Barony.Typically, among both the British nobility and Continental European nobility, Barons are the lowest-ranked nobles. In Britain, Barons don't necessarily pass on their titles heriditarily. They are instead only "life peers". Every citizen who proves himself or herself or reaches a certain position in the government hierarchy should receive a Barony. The Lord Chancellor and Prime Minister of the UK, for example, receive Baronies because of their positions.Breuddwyd has been testing a system of lordship lately and it is quite fun. Shirerothian PatriotPrince of Byzantia

[Shyriath]

It is one of the oddities of the Shirerithian system of nobility that Barons are above Counts, despite the low position of Barons in the UK. We know it sounds wrong to those familiar with how it normally works, but it's part of our tradition by now, I think...

[Fax Celestis]

Our odd feudal system is something that makes us distinctly Shirithian. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[AngelGuardian93]

Yes. Quite. Indeed. Indubidably. There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Did anyone else just reread this and thing "Wow, this makes Dukes WAY too powerful"?Dukes get all of the votes of their counties, then a bonus, and then all of their votes of their counties again via the Barony factor? That's...a lot of votes.Minimum sized Barony gets 2+1 votes = 3 votes.Minimum sized Duchy gets 4+1+2+2(3) = 13 votesThat's over four times the votes for only twice the size. Wouldn't something like 8 be a more optimal number?

[Hypatia Agnesi]

Indeed it would. Sadly, I've already closed the thread where we were voting for the new distribution, and it's too late to change it with the old distributions. Eoin was planning on closing this session of the Landsraad soon, and I'm hoping (somewhat) that he'll do something about votes then, if it's not considered messing with Landsraad Procedures too much. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!

[RicLyon]

I take all that I said back. Edited by: RicLyon at: 11/15/05 11:12

[Fax Celestis]

Besides, the Duke TAKES the votes of his Barons. He has to allocate tehm their votes (if any) out of that 13+ votes.For instance, Naudia'Diva is now contractually a Duchy. I have thirteen votes. As soon as I'm allowed to, however, I will be giving three to the Barony of Southern Brookshire and two to the Holy Lands of Shireroth, decreasing my amount to eight. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[RicLyon]

Thing is, Hypatia, that the Landsraad can't really changeanything, as it's the Kaiser's jurisdiction on votes and stuff (look at this decree).But we could argue that the Vote Act didn't fit the standard formula of a bill...

[Fax Celestis]

Actually, the Landsraad is the only ones who are allowed to change the way Landsraad voting procedure works. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Hypatia Agnesi]

Quote: Actually, the Landsraad is the only ones who are allowed to change the way Landsraad voting procedure works.That is exactly the point I was trying to make, Ric. I believe it's in the Charter. If Eoin wants to change the Charter anyway, he might as well change that bit about interference in the Landsraad as well. *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!