Is Shireroth anything more than a chatroom?

[AngelGuardian93]

Not really Bill. Stop being so darn pessemistic. There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

[Bill3000]

Please. Even Scott is worried about Shireroth. You should be worried too that we just lost two citizens whose contributions to the nation were priceless. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Please don't drag me into this. I'm *upset* that a couple of good people have left. I'm not *worried*. We've survived much worse things than this and gotten through fine.

[Fax Celestis]

Bill, you're blowing things out of proportion, for one; and for another, you're being depressing. Shut up. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[stevenAntica]

I was thinking that a solution might involve the "D" word, if only a slight "D"-ization.Have you ever thought of having a tribune of sorts, someone who is popularly elected, without a nobility title, having some votes in the Landsraad. I know that you are all very dead set on keeping the nation as apolitical as possible, but at some point you have to make a concession and begin adding some politicalness into the system or the system will die of inactivity. How much more can you develop the culture?

[Fax Celestis]

Whe have politics. We have a democratic process in the form of the Landsraad. We've had elected positions in the past, and they just die from inactivity. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[stevenAntica]

The Landsraad is hardly a democracy. I'm not in favor of any particular system...but a bit of politicization might add the kick that the micronation needs.

[Fax Celestis]

...and democracy in micronations doesn't work. All it does is tear people apart across idealisitic issues that hardly ever pop up anyway. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Fax Celestis]

Then what about my experiences with Tymaria and Delvenus, eh? Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Bill3000]

Democracy in micronations does work, even if it can be unstable. Your experience in Menelmacar hardly is proof of democracy not working. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);Edited by: Bill3000 at: 11/18/05 14:15

[stevenAntica]

You guys sure like complaining more than solutions...Making the govenrment more inclusive is definitely a solution.

[Fax Celestis]

Except we're NOT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. We're simulating a feudal society, which was definitely NOT democratic. You want democracy? Go somewhere else. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Bill3000]

Delvenus really didn't flourish in the first place, and Tymaria was screwed up for many reasons, its Democracy actually being one of its strong points when it was alive. Bill Dusch - Archon of SoloralismCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'I could probably date Hypatia's Mom. Now THAT'S scary.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

[Fax Celestis]

My above statement still stands. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[stevenAntica]

But Fax...A micronation must be flexible to survive.

[vasroixe]

Although democracy in a micro-nation gives citizens the impression that many of the barriers to ideas such as freedom, equality are removed, it does not actually do that. Why? It still fosters politics (which is largely unfree and unequal), and it encourages bending of the rules through loopholes.With feudalism you are still going to have politics and bending of the rules, but at least not under false pretenses. It's what everyone knows is going on and is actually less of an illusion than the "democracies" claimed by many micronations. Feudalism...is Shireroth's future, not to mention its illustrious past and present.The so-called chatroom IS the micro-nation. What I mean is that there is no simple concept called "micro-nation"; rather, a micro-nation is the sum of what all takes place in the so-called chatroom, and if the chatroom is interesting, the micro-nation will thrive. Let's just carry on with our hobby and not worry about what we are doing. Leave that up to the micronational historians. Shirerothian PatriotPrince of ByzantiaEdited by: vasroixe  at: 11/19/05 20:45