Forum Redesign Poll II

[Ryan]

Artifact-less header courtesy of the Void.I should get Lac Glacei back for this or somethin. Useless art is simply tolerated vandalism. I am a vandal.

[Fax Celestis]

Well, you'd have to be a Brookshirian citizen first, but I'd be willing to let you shout it out with Conglacio. Blindness Is A Blessing

[osmose1000]

I'm lost. That's exactly the same thing as above. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

[Ryan]

Hardly. Look closely at it. All the blue artifacts around the "Shireroth" lettering are gone. Useless art is simply tolerated vandalism. I am a vandal.

[Fax Celestis]

Yeah, there's no more fairy dust around the lettering. Blindness Is A Blessing

[Shyriath]

Quote:I should get Lac Glacei back for this or somethin.You might have less of a fight if you picked Greater Automatica... unless you've reclaimed the forums already, while no one was looking.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

"...I would like it very much if you found a way to alter [the bubbles] so that there aren't the awkward lines every inch or so on them"Taken care of. Refresh your browser and you should already be able to see the change." The old Malarbor is the worst graphic in the history of bad graphics."I've seen worse. No offence, but don't have much of an gift eye for visual æsthetics, from what I can judge."Besides, there are ways of making the old Malarbor better without that horrid stretching on the main page. Who's the putz who did that, again?"That was supported under Los II, I believe. Despite several people pointing out that it was a step in the opposite direction, it was put up in an attempt to be "progressive" and look like a compromise. Now, that compromise is coming around again, excpt it's easier for Scott to get rid of something that's even uglier than the one that was there to begin with. Hence, I will except no compromises.Now, that was my one post for the day. 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[Kaiser Los III]

First of all, I admit I don't have an eye for visual aesthetics, but you don't need to be able to distinguish Rembrandts from Gerard Dows to know that the old Malarbor was the worst image in the history of bad images. I don't much care whether the new Malarbor is more or less stretched - what I wanted was to end the tiling, and this new image did so. Unless I'm wrong, the "new" Malarbor was not put up under the reign of Los II but Jadie I, and was designed not by myself but by Gryphon (I supported it, but only because you wouldn't let me put the dark forest background up).I am allowing you the bubbles as the terms of your compromise and your demand to be recognized. But I think that everyone in the entire country except you, and maybe Fax or Erik agrees that that Malarbor has to go. I'll even prove it...*goes to make polls*

[Kaiser Los III]

Now three polls up in Temple of Lumina:p211.ezboard.com/fshirerothfrm113

[osmose1000]

Scott, you obviously have not seen some images. Old Malarbor isn't that bad. It's just the stretching which is fucked up. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

[Gryphon Avocatio]

The reason I'm going to be so adamant about this is because I know that at some point in the future this forum design is going to come up again, and I know then that you will once again offer another compromise with me and then change most everything except for one little thing that I want. And then it will come up agian, and this will keep happening until you get exactly what you want and I anything I actually care about is long gone.Bring back the worst graphic in history, Scott. 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[Kaiser Los III]

Nick, as I hope I've made clear by my actions, despite having absolute power I try not to use it before reaching a consensus with everyone. But in this case, not only do I want the background replaced, but a majority of citizens want it replaced. As important to the country as you undoubtedly are, I can't really think up a good justification for going against both my own opinion and that of everyone else to appease you.The problem with this Malarbor graphic is that, as you admitted, it's ugly. The problems with the old Malarbor graphic are that, in my opinion, it's ugly, that it definitely is hard to have as a background because parts of it are light and other parts dark (for example, if your screen resolution is the same as mine, you can't read the community chest information on our board right now because Mal's glowing eyes get in the way) and, most importantly, because it tiles, which is unprofessional, ugly, and confusing. To get rid of the tiling you'd have to stretch it which would result in basically what we have right now. The dark forest background has none of these drawbacks and most people like it.The compromise we came up with way back in Jadie's (?) reign was suitable for that time period. Now we have different people, different tastes, and more options. Why should we stick to something we made to fit the tastes of a group of people pretty different from the group of people we have here now? It would be like the US blindly continuing to follow the Missouri Compromise even though the situation that led people to make it is going away.If the issue of forum design comes up again in the future, as I don't doubt it will, then we will see what people want then, and change it based on that. Edited by: Kaiser Los III at: 8/29/05 14:09

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Scott, the Missouri Compromise is on a much different level than Forum Graphics (unless you feel that slavery and tiling images are somehow the same thing).Your background poll doesn't even include the old Malarbor image. From what I think I've noticed, most people have more of a problem witht the streched Malarbor than the old one.If it gets killed in a poll, i will concede (though I will probably not shut up). Until then, SAVE THE EVIL TREE GOD!! 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Also, a lot of the colors aren't showing up right in the temple of Lumina...Forum Listing rows should still be #000066. Message Thread Row 1 should be #333366 (whatever is up now is too purple). 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[Kaiser Los III]

The colors in Lumina were indeed off. I changed them back (and the ones on this forum now should be the original) but they still don't look right to me even though the hex numbers are exactly the same. Maybe it's just the contrast with the white text that's doing it?The poll was meant to be either version of Malarbor vs. either version of the forest, but I made a new one to address exactly this issue.Does your committment to going with the result of the poll extend far enough to let me use the gradient header, which people seemed to be 8 to 1 in favor of?

[OctaviusMe]

Dude... I love it! But that might because I like cool tones of color.

[Ucci]

The forum is looking really good. Color scheme is a lot cleaner.Something's got to be done with the red - at least the brighter tones. Fix that and you might even be able to keep the background.Other option is to go with an actual photo of a murky bog.Either way, majorly improved here in Shireroth.Jack

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I'm thinking the colors seem off because of this background. It doesn't contrast as much as the last one.And my offer does not extend to the gradient. Sorry. 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[Royal Babkhan Camel Corps]

Very pleasant. Now about the external links at the bottom of the page. Could the 'The Great Satan' be placed entirely on the bottom line as oppossed to the 'The' being on the top line with the other countries and the Great Satan down below? For Babkha... CHARGE!

[osmose1000]

Our new scheme sucks. It's like we took the site, bleached it's hair, tied a sweatshirt around it's waist, and gave it a huge backpack to wear.Seriously, you people and your crazy ideas. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

[Gryphon the Pure]

While I like the new font color (white, I presume?), the blue links on a blue background are terrible. Change it back to red so I can actually -read- them. Gryphon the Pure- Shirithian Elder - Dutch of Kildare - Minister of the Interior - High Priest of Apostrophe aka Grammar Fuhrer - Director of the Shirithian Census - Imperial Advisor -q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);q=parseInt(Math.random()*gryphSig.length);q=(isNaN(q))?0:q;document.write(gryphSig[q]);

[Kaiser Los III]

Fax can't read red, so that's out, but I'll work tonight on finding a color that both of you like. Nick, I still can't understand what you're saying about the background as I can barely tell it from the last one (except on the far bottom where you can see the huts). Everybody, pester Nick until he agrees to have the blue gradient up on the top.

[Fax Celestis]

To be honest with you, the red really just needs to be either lighter or darker in order to work with my vision. It's in that awkward range of colors that my eyes can't quite make out or fudge into another color. If it were darker, it'd come out brown or black. Lighter, and it'd be dark yellowish.But where they are in Yardistan, and where they were before, just hurts my eyes. Blindness Is A Blessing

[Gryphon Avocatio]

"I still can't understand what you're saying about the background as I can barely tell it from the last one (except on the far bottom where you can see the huts)."I designed the current color scheme with the darker hut background (and to a greater extent, Malarbor) in mind. They don't work so well with this lighter hut background.And in regard to what Moose was saying: yeah, I miss the old colors already. These really suck in comparison to what we had, but Scott insisted, and insisted. One idiotic person wouldn't imigrate simply because they didn't like the colour scheme, and it's a national crisis. Maybe if Shireroth had more to offer new citizens than bickering about color schemes we would get more citizens. 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[osmose1000]

Oh, and for people still worrying about Fax, the magic hex for a red that he can read comfortably is #EF2F1F. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

[Kaiser Los III]

Quote:And in regard to what Moose was saying: yeah, I miss the old colors already.I PREFER THE OLD COLORS! I did this theme because YOU made them and everyone else seemed to like them. I wanted totally different things fixed - the background, Malarbor, the bubbles - but Fax had trouble with the colors and everyone else seemed to like yours, so I went ahead with it and ignored most of the changes I wanted. So if you don't like these colors...exactly who does?Quote:I designed then current color scheme with the darker hut background (and to a greater extent, Malarbor) in mind. They don't work so well with this lighter hut background.Just to be sure, are we talking about the difference between images.shireroth.org/foru...sback5.JPG and images.shireroth.org/foru...sback4.JPG ? Because colorwise I just don't see any difference - they're both dark with an emphasis on purple and a little green. The only difference I see is the design in them.Quote:I miss the old colors already. These really suck in comparison to what we had, but Scott insisted, and insisted. One idiotic person wouldn't imigrate simply because they didn't like the colour scheme, and it's a national crisis. Maybe if Shireroth had more to offer new citizens than bickering about color schemes we would get more citizens.Nick. Take a DEEEEEP breath. I merely pointed out that a lot of people didn't like the color scheme (including one new citizen) and that a poll came out 20 people who hated it to 4 people who liked it. I asked for some suggested changes, YOU gave them to me, and I copied your design to the letter, other than replacing the background with one that looks basically the same. What exactly is it that you are so upset about?

[Ryan]

Really now, ditch the light blue background. It contrasts horribly while waiting for the new purply forest background to load.But kudos anyway on the new background. I gotta admit I like it.Of course, you know you guys can just take any old forest background, open in up in PSP and colourise it, yes? So if it's a specific scene you people want, fixing the colours really isn't that hard.Of course, I dunno what you people want. Sometimes I think none of you know what you want yourselves. I'm just too damn lazy/busy to read through all this crap. I like the blues tho. Reminds me of Lac Glacei's scheme. Useless art is simply tolerated vandalism. I am a vandal.

[AngelGuardian93]

*resists urge to post* There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

"I PREFER THE OLD COLORS! I did this theme because YOU made them and everyone else seemed to like them."What? Then why in hell's name did you start experimenting in the Temple of Lumina. Why did you bring up redesigning the forum. I had nothing to do with that. Don't even try to spin this as my idea. You brought up changing the colors before I ever submitted my idea.I got invovled only to save as much of the traditional colors as I could before you or somebody else went and changed everything (the original colours in the temple scared me). If you didn't want to change them, you sure didn't let anybody know."Just to be sure, are we talking about the difference between images.shireroth.org/foru...sback5.JPG and images.shireroth.org/foru...sback4.JPG ?"Scott, there is a serious difference between possback4.JPG and possback5.JPG. possback4.JPG is significantly darker in it's lower portion as well as around the edges. As such, the background serves to frame the thread and forum frames in a contrasting way. possback5.JPG does not have these darker areas, and as such, that is why the colors appear funny in front of the picture. If you do any one thing at this point, please go back to possback4.JPG."Nick. Take a DEEEEEP breath..."And I quote "I have been getting more and more comments both from foreigners and from potential recruits that they hate our forum design...The last straw for me was Renee saying she recruited someone but they decided to go to a different micronation instead because they couldn't read our forums." (p211.ezboard.com/fshirero...737.topic)A recruit decides not to join because they can't read our forums (what the hell? give me a break). Scott decides everything must be changed. That's the impression I got.So let's make everything look nice and pretty like the old Tymarian forums. That will fix everything, right? No it won't, because there is really nothing else here to coax new citizens into staying for more than a few weeks. 3e knowe ek that in fourme of speche is chaunge / With-inne a thousand 3eer, and wordes tho / That hadden pris now wonder nyce and straunge / Us thenketh hem, and 3et thei spake hem so, / And spedde as wel in loue as men now do...

[Fax Celestis]

...I jsut wanted to be able to read links for once. Blindness Is A Blessing