Shirithian Elders

[Kaiseress Jadie]

Yay for Nick!! Kaiseress Jadie IThe Elf-Cat Kaiseress of Shireroth

[Solitary Poet 8]

Try looking it up first before you ask stupid questions, dumbass. Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[Winston Marlboro]

Can I be a shirerothian elder too? Edited by: Gryphon Avocatio  at: 10/2/03 6:46 pm

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I really hate that signature... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[Solitary Poet 8]

Well, just another 50 posts and I'll be one of you! Yeehaw! Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[Zirandorthel]

Quick, someone ban Sol's login so he has to start all over!! Before it's too late!!! ZirandorthelThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar"In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God."-Stephen Braveheart

[Phoenix the Risen]

actually... (sorry poet)I was just about to raise the bar on Shirithian Elders. It is getting waay to easy to become an elder, what with our 100+ posts per day. At this requirement level, even foreigners could become elders easily...I'm thinking of tieing this Elder thing in as a political influence... And since there has been much talk about too many people knowing too little about shirithian laws... I will probably be instituting a legal exam in the areas of Government and History of Shireroth as a prerequisite for the Elder title.Now, don't shoot this down before it starts. I have been thinking that solving this ignorance problem should affect the whole populus (in other words, adding the test to the Census to retain citizenship) but I thought that too harsh. Also, I was thinking that maybe to hold office the test should be instituted, but that also seemed a) too harsh on the dukes, and b) too easy for people who test well to gain political positions that they shouldn't have.So I'm thinking that Shirithian Elder, since the title ELDER is generally granted to those who have a)been around long, and thus are b) very wise and knowledgable in the ways of the land and people; should be a more a)highly regarded people, and b) difficult to attain. Phoenix the Risen- Emissary and Counsel to Duke Gryphon the Pure of Kildare - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth

[Zirandorthel]

*thinks about how long someone trying to cut down ignorance of legal affairs and politics in Shireroth is going to last, then has a great big belly laugh*Seriously though *wipes tear from eye* I think that's a good idea too. Really, right now, Shirerithian Elder (not to be confused under any circumstances with Hyperborean Elder) is just a posting level. ZirandorthelThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar"In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God."-Stephen Braveheart

[Solitary Poet 8]

Quote:Now, don't shoot this down before it starts.Where's a BO0O/\/\ist assault rifle when you need one? *grumble* : -->:"> Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[Serapheenx]

Ahhh....boom?

[Solitary Poet 8]

Phoenix, first off, I can get why you'd want to do something like this. Eriana, for example, is quite new, yet she's right on my tail when it comes to posts. However, I already feel I have a certain degree of political influence here. The protest in favor of the Chicken Liberation Act, I think, proves that a great deal. Therefore, while I may not have been here as long as, say, Jadie, I feel I still deserve to get this title soon. BTW, as far as a test goes, we're online! Anyone could pass the test so long as they knew where to look on the site! If you want to make it more difficult to become an elder, why not just limit it by how long someone's been in the nation, like with the minor status!? Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[Phoenix the Risen]

Nick suggested keeping people away from the internet for the political tests. Now, most citizens of Shireroth dwell in relatively small areas. It may be possible that an Examiner could be appointed to each area, and that the Examiner would administer the test, and make sure that for its duration the Examinee would not have access to the internet. But this is just one Idea. There are other ways.It may be possible to write a script to shut down all I/O other than a certain program (in other words, make a program eat up überly excessive bandwidth such that nothing else can get through. There are many possible solutions to these problems.As for the time period... it is not just time... it is Honor. Maybe instead it should be changed to a Hero-esque title where you have to do some service to the nation to gain it.The test is not the only way. It was just an Idea. Phoenix the Risen- Emissary and Counsel to Duke Gryphon the Pure of Kildare - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth

[david northworthy beckfor]

Quote: Nick suggested keeping people away from the internet for the political tests. Now, most citizens of Shireroth dwell in relatively small areas. It may be possible that an Examiner could be appointed to each area, and that the Examiner would administer the test, and make sure that for its duration the Examinee would not have access to the internet. But this is just one Idea. There are other ways.then who would examine me? war trophy liberated from Babkha by the Federated NORworthic Liberation Devision (FNORD)

[Austi Scot]

There's no reason to examine you.

[david northworthy beckfor]

what I mean is, when I get my 500 posts, in whats-his-names scenario, someone would have to come to me to examine me... war trophy liberated from Babkha by the Federated NORworthic Liberation Devision (FNORD)

[Austi Scot]

No they wouldnÂ’t, you donÂ’t fit the scenario.

[Zirandorthel]

But wouldn't it be nice to have an actual system for it. I don't think people like Eriana would be excluded, it's not as if there's many people who can just rhyme off Shireroth's law system without thinking about it, is there? ZirandorthelThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar"In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God."-Stephen Braveheart Edited by: Zirandorthel at: 10/23/03 11:52 am

[Phoenix the Risen]

the test would not be comprehensive, and if it were, I'm sure there would at least be a few who could pass (I'm guessing Nick, Erik, and Scott at least, maybe the current Elders) but it's not like you'd have to know everything...and my main problem with the current system is that Eriana, who only joined about a month and a half ago, is about to receive the honour under the current system. About 90% of Eriana's posts have been in Party threads and the like. People should not be granted an honourable title such as Elder for Partying all day.As Gryphon the Pure, I worked hard to gain my 500 posts. At least half of them were of political intent. 250 political posts is a damned lot. 400 word association, fraggle attacks, partying, and sexual roleplaying is not.Eriana, I'm sorry if you are offended by my using you as the example here, but you have epitomized the typical forum-goer here in Shireroth, and Shireroth is not just a forum. We are a nation. Phoenix the Risen- Emissary and Counsel to Duke Gryphon the Pure of Kildare - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth

[Solitary Poet 8]

I agree it takes a good while to get 500 posts. I've worked damn hard to get this close to that number. However, I haven't posted only in party threads. I've partied, sure, but I also fought in the rebellion. I started the thread about the military getting paid. I've influenced the political system through protest. I post all over in nearly every forum I can, serious or not. In all honesty, I'd say I'm as well rounded as you'd like an elder to be.Phoenix, I'm not a noble. The fact that I've been here for this long without that title when newbies to the nation are landing baron positions irk me to no end. Elder seemed like a position I could reach, even without anyone pulling strings. Why do you want to take that away from me? Can't there be an exception? Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[Phoenix the Risen]

poet, I do not want to take that away from you. If I do change the system, I will even make sure that you are awarded that title first. I know that you have been politically active. You are as deserving as almost any noble here (except maybe erik... who founded Shireroth)In fact, Poet, your bravery shall not go unrewarded any longer. Hence forth, in Kildare, you shall be known as Hero of the Winds ((yayy for zelda references)).As Emissary to Duke Gryphon the Pure, I dub thee. Phoenix the Risen- Emissary and Counsel to Duke Gryphon the Pure of Kildare - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth

[Kaiseress Jadie]

Thanks for reminding me of something that needs to be done... Anywho...on the Elder Note....are you going to take away my elder status too? I haven't been here that long I socialize (ALOT). If you would like to have a separate title for knowing Shirithian history or what have you then make it a more esteemed title. 500 posts is still a big deal....I passed that mark a long time ago...but that is because I am dork and have nothing else better to do. So if you are going to base the Elder status on Political posts...then please do so and change it. Kaiseress Jadie IThe Elf-Cat Kaiseress of Shireroth

[Kaiseress Jadie]

The dear departed Kaiser Meskan argued it.... But I know what you mean. I post everywhere...and try to stay politically active....*giggles* well before I was Kaiseress I tried to ...now I am the political system....oh...nevermind. Kaiseress Jadie IThe Elf-Cat Kaiseress of Shireroth

[Solitary Poet 8]

Jadie, I doubt anyone could say you're not an elder. I mean, you've been in this for much longer than me, and I'm nearing that point! Your posts are as diverse as mine, particularly now that you're Kaiseress. If Phoenix makes things this way, there's very little chance of you losing the title.edit: Oh, and Phoenix, thanx for the title. Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of GoldshireEdited by: Solitary Poet 8 at: 10/23/03 12:25 pm

[Eriana Moon]

Ok this thread is feeling very anti Eriana. Till this thread I didn't even know what it took to be an elder and now that I know I still don't think I should be one. On the other hand if you have a problem with the way I conduct my self here then tell me and we can deal with it otherwise leave me be. I try to be politiclay active and I defended the Jadie when her position was threatened. And I love having my berony and I am trying to bild it up from nothing. I even have a goal for it if anyone would care to notes..... In the end thow it all comes down to the fact that no I havn't been here very long just like Lunaris is new. It takes time to to build a barony and to build ones status. There havn't been any big things hapening that i could be involved in but if there were I would be. Jadie was around for alot of stuff and has done alot. She has earned her status I'm working on it but I'm not there yet. I 'd like to propose that status of elder be determined by an individual reaching 500 postes and then the nobles within the lansrad voting on wether the person has truely eraned it. I know I havn't and am reletively far from it. Poet on the other hand is close to 500 posts and has earned it. I gess that's it for now. I have more to say but that's enough for now.

[Phoenix the Risen]

Eriana... I did not mean to offend you so much. I know that you are building everything up from scratch, and I know that you are being politically active, but my main point was that you are nearing 500 posts, and I am quite reluctant to award the title of elder to someone who's been here a month, a period of time which is nowhere near enough (even at five political posts a day - counting weekends) to speak even 250 posts political. Additionally, a month of citizenship here is related to roughly a year (maybe two) of citizenship in a country RL. In RL, it would be quite controversial to give an honourary title to someone who has only been in a nation for two years (even if you discount the controversy due to the unconstitutionality of honourary titles in the US of A).Eriana, I do not mean to insult your qualities as a person or even as a citizen. You have brought activity, and we are much grateful for that. Phoenix the Risen- Emissary and Counsel to Duke Gryphon the Pure of Kildare - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth

[SolidaryDork]

Wow, that was extremely diplomatically put.*realizes could learn alot from this*Um, jsut an odd question. I know you ca'nt relate this directly to me 'cuz I just appeared from nowhere, randomly, but what about someone who's been around a decade or possibly two? What kinda post count would that tally to and if so, would they then be elder status?Just curious...

[Solitary Poet 8]

120-240 years. Now I suggest you be gone before you offend both me and Zirandorthel (title: Solitary Communist 9). *grabs both swords and pulls them an inch from their sheathes* *growls* Got it? Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[SolidaryDork]

*takes out feather and tickles under noses*

[Solitary Poet 8]

*takes out swords and slices feather in 3 pieces [yes, they're THAT sharp]) Birrrrrrrrrrrd Maaaaaaaaan!!!!!~The Solitary Poet of Goldshire

[Zirandorthel]

*resists turning into a one-eyed horned daemon at just this moment*You tell em Sol. ZirandorthelThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar"In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God."-Stephen Braveheart