Reapplying: CJ Miller

[Aurangzeb Khan]

Shireroth is not a social club. We have a government, law and systems to handle things.

Err... I actually thought we were a social club carrying on like a cargo cult, but these things vary according to perspective.

[Kaiser Mors VI]

Well. Maybe a little. But I kinda would like to reassert the rule of law and the actually government part of this Micronation.. otherwise we are just a forum and not a Micronation.

[Jonas]

Come on Mike, this is getting very boring and childish: "I'm going to leave if... blablabla".

[Harvey Steffke]

CJMiller is an awesome person and would make a great addition to the country. I can't believe you'd even think of denying him!

[Malliki Tosha]

Good one Harvey. People might even believe you.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

CJMiller is an awesome person and would make a great addition to the country. I can't believe you'd even think of denying him!

Doubtlessly said sotto voce.

[Kaiser Mors VI]

Harvey: Shut the fuck up. I know your motives in this. And I'm sick of you and your whiny bullshit.

CJMiller is hereby granted citizenship with a Minority period of 28 days. As per the regulations on the matter, he cannot hold official Imperial Office in this time period, nor hold land in Fief.

I will not be extorted by threats of inactivity. Nor will I submit to the whims of bullies and those with personal grudges. I admit I'm not the biggest fan of CJ myself. But I have seen no evidence that he is any worse then Jess or any other annoyance we've dealt with. If he causes problems, then I will deal with them. If a future Kaiser expels him, that's not my problem. But I will not put of with the bullshit I've been dealing with over this issue.

Mike/Harvey, you can stay or leave. The choice is yours. Harvey, I know you openly want Shireroth to fall. It's not even unusual behavior for you. So I don't know if I even care if you leave. Mike, I would be sad to see you go, but I will not be extorted.

This topic is over.

[Harvey Steffke]

If people reject my honest opinion because they don't trust it, they can sod off. It's not about Shireroth falling. It's about a complete twat of a fucktard having more support here than five long-time veterans of the hobby. Why do we even have this totally fucking useless ministry if every moron off the street can get into Shireroth despite half a dozen people saying he's no good at all?

[Kaiser Mors VI]

I hate this job.

[Malliki Tosha]

Then abdicate.

[Kaiser Mors VI]

Cause I have other things I like about it. It's just this kinda crap I hate dealing with. I never can win. Somehow I always come out the bad guy, or something.

[Malliki Tosha]

Don't make bad decisions then. Trust people when they tell you things.

[Falkner van der Sluijs]

Sorry guys, I'm still not seeing proof. Provide or shut the hell up.

I'm not supporting him because I'm an asshole, or because I don't trust you. It's because I've seen ZERO proof that he is as bad as you say he is. I let people prove themselves, at the very least. I won't say he should go when I don't see any reason why he should.

[Jonas]

If people reject my honest opinion because they don't trust it, they can sod off. It's not about Shireroth falling. It's about a complete twat of a fucktard having more support here than five long-time veterans of the hobby. Why do we even have this totally fucking useless ministry if every moron off the street can get into Shireroth despite half a dozen people saying he's no good at all?

It's not because you're a 'long-term veteran' that you're more important then anyone else. I haven't seen much proof or reasons to not allow him to join. And if it comes to insults, the veterans aren't any better.

[Malliki Tosha]

Erik wanted me to find proof. It took forever, mostly because the chatlogs aren't that easy to sift through with a slow server and everything. When I complained about this Erik made up his mind anyway, and you see the result here. The bottom line here is that me, Harvey, Icebreaker, Ruth from Antica and Hesam all have spoken to CJ at multiple occasions and for various reasons hate his guts. The main reason for me is that he is a blatant racist, I think Hesam's main objection is that CJ is just a general fucktard, and so forth. The fact that Erik completely ignores this makes my support for his Kaisership fade away. Hence my resignations.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

Executive summary: CJ Miller - probably a cunt, but now also a citizen. Gain one, alienate two. A cup of tea and twenty-four hours respite will solve everything (provided there's gin in the tea).

[Kaiser Mors VI]

You did more then complain. You demanded I stop being a "coward". You demanded that I had to go your way and keep him out. You called me a coward one to many times, you demanded I stop trying to consult the masses or whatever your phrase was. You demanded I take action. So I did. If you aren't happy with the result. I'm sorry.

Now, I didn't give him full citizenship. He's still a minor. And I'm not even sure he'll show up, which just pisses me off more. I don't find him worth all this. But I can't just deny someone citizenship because a few others don't like him. Would you care for me to act that way toward you? If Jonas, Corey, Scott and a few other said you are a terrible person and an asshole, would you want me to simply expel you offhand? I went with your word since it was unchallenged, for a time. Then it was challenged, and I had to act accordingly.

If you can still provide the evidence, I'll rescind my decision. But you demanded I make a choice. I made one. Now we must both live with it, until something happens that requires it re-evaluation.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Stepping back, I guess the bigger issue is one Harvey and I have debated a few times - do we let everyone who's not a spy or a criminal in, or do we select for only the best possible citizens? Does all new blood get in automatically, or is citizenship a seal of approval that means we like someone?

In the particular case of Shireroth, I support the first option. The feudal system makes it impossible for an idiot to cause real problems. Usually having a few troublemakers around just increases activity. And I'm a big believer in investing in people in the hopes that they become more mature later. I think it paid off for Bill (before he was driven away) and for Jacobus (who was viewed as an undesirable during the whole Cyberia thing).

We could let in a thousand Jesses and CJ Millers and not be any the worse for it (I think Jess has become much more mature in the past year, though no one's noticed since they're so busy attacking him). I'm more scared of people who are smart, tricky, and have values totally antithetical to ours (Archetype is a good example of this). They're the people who can really screw up a country.

[Malliki Tosha]

I think you should stop blaming Scott, Harvey and me for not having the spine enough to stand up for your own fucking decision.

And for the record, I do think we should deny citizenship to racists and bigots.

[Kaiser Mors VI]

So.. I try to weigh a choice... and I'm a coward. I make a choice, and I'm coward cause I'm not happy about having to have made a choice. I can't win with you can I? The only way I could possibly not be a coward is to bow to your whims. To do as you want me to do.

[phineas elastopon]

So.. I try to weigh a choice... and I'm a coward. I make a choice, and I'm coward cause I'm not happy about having to have made a choice. I can't win with you can I? The only way I could possibly not be a coward is to bow to your whims. To do as you want me to do.

THIS. Ignore every post beneath mine.

[Kaiser Mors VI]

Who locked this thread?

[23:07:57] <harvey> It's just /nick and then the name.
[23:08:02] <kate> jahh
[23:08:06] <kate> *ahh
[23:08:07] <kate> lol
[23:08:10] <icebreaker> YOU KNOW
[23:08:17] <cjmi1ler> STOP THIS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
[23:08:21] <hesam> CJMiller: Tell us again about why Obama is bad?
[23:08:22] <icebreaker> WHEN I WAS MATH TUTORING
[23:08:31] <icebreaker> I TOOK ON THIS AUTISTIC INDIAN KID
[23:08:36] <icebreaker> IT WAS A LOT LIKE THIS REALLY
[23:08:47] <cjmiller> Because he is a terrorist
[23:08:53] <hesam> hahahaha
[23:08:54] <cjmiller> and he is not a native-born American citizen
[23:08:59] <harvey> icebreaker: he was proud to be an asshole and asked you for large shipments of money?
[23:09:01] <hesam> why is he a terrorist again?
[23:09:04] <cjmiiler> I have Asperger's syndrome. It is a disease of the brain that allows me to be a complete fucktard.
[23:09:08] <littlemisssunshine> successssssssssssss
[23:09:15] <icebreaker> IT'S NOT A TICKET TO BE A FUCKTARD, DUMBASS
[23:09:23] <cjmiller> Hesam: Because he illegally became President
[23:09:33] <cjmiller> in much the same way as a coup d'etat
[23:09:35] <icebreaker> SOMEDAY YOU WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENT'S BASEMENT AND DEAL WITH THE REAL WORLD
[23:09:42] <hesam> so terrorists are people who illegally become president?
[23:09:52] <icebreaker> DO YOU PLAN TO SIT ON THE COUCH EATING CHEETOS YOUR WHOLE LIFE, CRYING ABOUT BULLIES ON IRC?
[23:09:52] <cjmiller> OUR HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE A BASEMENT
[23:09:54] <cjmiiler> Obama's name is too close to Osama.
[23:09:57] <cjmiiler> = terrorist
[23:10:00] <cjmiller> I DON'T LIKE CHEETOS
[23:10:08] <cjmiller> That
[23:10:11] <icebreaker> GROW A FUCKING PAIR AND LEARN HOW TO NOT BE A COMPLETE FUCKWAD
[23:10:13] <cjmiller> and his name is Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
[23:10:14] <harvey> Malliki: lololol
[23:10:33] <cjmiller> icebreaker: LEARN HOW NOT TO BE A COMPLETE DOUCHE
[23:10:36] <cjmiiler> Hussein, as everyone knows, is Arabic for "terrorist".
[23:10:37] <hesam> Miller, you do realize there are close to 1 Billion people on the planet with the name Hussein right?
[23:10:49] <cjmiller> And every single one of them is a terrorist.
[23:10:55] <icebreaker> I AM NOT BEING A DOUCHE, I AM GIVING YOU EXCELLENT ADVICE
[23:11:10] <icebreaker> PRETTY SURE THESE GUYS WILL AGREE
[23:11:25] <hesam> agreed
[23:11:26] <cjmiiler> icebreaker: I dislike your advice.
[23:11:30] <hesam> even if I think the advice is wasted on him
[23:11:37] <cjmiiler> Hesam: Pay me money for contract violation.
[23:11:41] <cjmiiier> Okay I can't think of anything really funny to say that isn't being covered.
[23:11:43] <hesam> lol
[23:12:08] <hesam> So Miller, do you think Brown people are terrorists?
[23:12:21] <cjmiiler> Yes, brown, black and yellow people.
[23:12:29] <cjmiller> Only if they're Middle Eastern.
[23:12:47] <hesam> so all 'middle eastern' people are terrorists?
[23:12:48] <icebreaker> YOU KNOW WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IS?
[23:12:55] <icebreaker> EXTREMELY SHITTY PARENTS
[23:13:02] <malliki> I felt dirty using that name.
[23:13:12] <cjmiller> All persons from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are terrorists
[23:13:17] <harvey> Personally I blame the rap music.
[23:13:24] <hesam> I blame GTA III
[23:13:27] <malliki> CJMiller: What about Bahrain?
[23:13:35] <cjmiller> icebreaker: YOU'RE RIGHT. MY PARENTS ARE SO FAR BEYOND ASSHOLES THAT NO WORDS IN ANY ENGLISH LANGUAGE CAN DESCRIBE THEM.
[23:13:42] <hesam> or Lebanon?
[23:13:54] <hesam> or Syria?
[23:13:56] <harvey> Yeah fuck Labanon too
[23:13:59] <cjmiller> All persons from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Bahrain, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are terrorists
[23:14:00] <buttercup> i blame tv its alway tv why are we blaming things?
[23:14:00] <malliki> Libya????
[23:14:06] <hesam> CJMiller: want to talk about your parents for a bit?
[23:14:09] <cjmiller> It's a fucking DICTATORSHIP
[23:14:13] <icebreaker> I AM SORT OF CURIOUS
[23:14:14] <malliki> Tunisia?
[23:14:29] <hesam> What about Wales?
[23:14:29] <canadianasaurus> Oklahoma?
[23:14:32] <hesam> lol
[23:14:39] <malliki> Algeria? Morocco? Mauretania? Somalia? Sudan?
[23:14:49] <harvey> Kentucky?
[23:14:53] <malliki> Bosnia? :P
[23:14:53] <canadianasaurus> Yeah
[23:14:55] <hesam> Ottawa?
[23:14:57] <canadianasaurus> Michigan
[23:15:04] <canadianasaurus> Ontario in general
[23:15:04] <cjmiller> Poland
[23:15:07] <hesam> CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:15:13] <canadianasaurus> Vatican City!
[23:15:13] <cjmiller> New Jersey
[23:15:18] <canadianasaurus> Terror-Pope
[23:15:23] <cjmiller> Canadianasaurus: NO
[23:15:28] <cjmiller> The Vatican is unfuckwithable
[23:15:35] <malliki> CJMiller: So you basically think that all Muslims, without exceptions, are terrorists?
[23:15:37] <hesam> so you're catholic?
[23:15:44] <cjmiller> Malliki: Yes
[23:15:47] <canadianasaurus> Me too
[23:15:49] <cjmiller> Hesam: Yes, but non-practicing
[23:15:51] <canadianasaurus> technically
[23:15:58] <canadianasaurus> so I can make fun of you
[23:16:01] <hesam> So why is the Pope not a terrorist?
[23:16:06] <canadianasaurus> it's part of the confirmation process
[23:16:14] <cjmiller> Because the Pope is not Muslim
[23:16:22] <icebreaker> THEY KICKED ME OUT OF CONFIRMATION CLASSES CAUSE I WAS BEING A DICK
[23:16:22] <harvey> Canadianasaurus: is that so?
[23:16:22] <malliki> CJMiller: What do you think about Muslims in general?
[23:16:31] <hesam> I wore sneakers to my confirmation
[23:16:36] <canadianasaurus> confirmation classes were silly
[23:16:47] <cjmiller> Malliki: They are all terrorists. Islam is a terrorist organization. Nuke Arabia.
[23:17:00] <harvey> Well
[23:17:05] <malliki> Islam isn't really an organisation. It's a religion.
[23:17:06] <harvey> I think that clears a lot of things up actually.
[23:17:07] <hesam> So Miller, do your parents write any literature by chance?
[23:17:14] <cjmiller> No
[23:17:25] <hesam> do they distribute any pamphlets?
[23:17:26] <canadianasaurus> Icebreaker
[23:17:33] <icebreaker> Canadianasaurus
[23:17:37] <harvey> Really though, calling millions of people terrorists still isn't as bad as disliking cats.
[23:17:37] <canadianasaurus> what was your confirmation name going to be?
[23:17:40] <malliki> They just translate stuff by noted German writers from the 30's and 40's
[23:17:43] <harvey> I'll never forgive you for that one.
[23:17:54] <icebreaker> OH SHIT YOU GET TO PICK A NAME?
[23:17:54] <canadianasaurus> cats are pretty awesome
[23:17:57] <canadianasaurus> yeah!
[23:17:58] <cjmiller> Hesam: No, they do not distribute any sort of literature
[23:18:01] <icebreaker> I MUST'VE BEEN KICKED OUT BEFORE THAT
[23:18:02] <cjmiller> And I hate cats
[23:18:06] <canadianasaurus> You really missed out!
[23:18:11] <icebreaker> WELL SHITS
[23:18:14] <cjmiller> They shed all over the furniture in such a way that it can never be vacuumed out
[23:18:19] <harvey> icebreaker: there's still time!
[23:18:20] <canadianasaurus> You could still go back!
[23:18:25] <cjmiller> And the only cat I ever had bit me all the time
[23:18:29] <icebreaker> CJMiller: WE ALL KNOW YOU DON'T DO ANY OF THE VACUUMING
[23:18:29] <canadianasaurus> just for the name
[23:18:30] <malliki> icebreaker: Can we ban CJ when he starts to bore us?
[23:18:42] <harvey> I totally approve of even the cats hating on CJMiller.
[23:18:54] <harvey> They're like little furry comrades in arms.
[23:18:57] <canadianasaurus> cats only exist to make his life more difficult
[23:19:09] <cjmiller> Cats do not deserve to exist.
[23:19:26] <icebreaker> Malliki: I THINK IF HE CHILLS OUT HE CAN HANG AROUND
[23:19:28] <cjmiller> There needs to be created a virus that will kill 100% of cats small and large within 24 hours
[23:19:29] <icebreaker> WOULD NOT BE AS ENTERTAINING THOUGH
[23:19:41] <malliki> icebreaker: Chance of that happening?
[23:19:49] <icebreaker> LOW
[23:19:51] <canadianasaurus> Cat Flu!
[23:20:01] <canadianasaurus> the next great death plague
[23:20:15] <icebreaker> I AM PETTING MY CAT RIGHT NOW, HE IS MORE OR LESS BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU
[23:20:18] <malliki> Hesam: Ceuch
[23:20:24] <hesam> Cooch
[23:20:40] <canadianasaurus> pretty much
[23:20:53] <hesam> I'm sitting aboot the cooch
[23:21:42] <icebreaker> *CHECKS ON LAUNDRY
[23:21:57] <cjmiller> *waits for the status quo to be restored
[23:22:13] <harvey> Do you want me to restore the status quo?
[23:22:14] <icebreaker> CONSIDER IT RESTORED, AS OF NOW
[23:22:16] <icebreaker> LIVE A HAPPY LIFE
[23:22:27] <cjmiller> *me checks
[23:22:31] <cjmiller> Nope, still no ops
[23:22:33] <cjmiller> Sorry
[23:22:43] <canadianasaurus> let's talk about catholicism some more
[23:22:52] <cjmiller> Let's not and say we did
[23:22:59] <canadianasaurus> Ok
[23:23:03] <canadianasaurus> Terror Pope
[23:23:09] <canadianasaurus> continues to reign!
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[23:24:20] <canadianasaurus> nice name
[23:24:28] <hesam> so CJMiller, do your parents go to any rallies?
[23:24:30] <cjmiller> I close the tab, and yet remain
[23:24:34] <cjmiller> Hesam: No
[23:24:42] <cjmiller> None of us are radicals
[23:24:43] <buttercup> rallier?
[23:24:44] <icebreaker> LOL 20 QUESTIONS
[23:24:47] <buttercup> *rallies
[23:24:54] <harvey> lol I didn't know there actually was a skype chat.
[23:24:55] <hesam> do they believe Obama is a terrorist as well?
[23:24:59] <cjmiller> Yes
[23:25:01] <harvey> I thought we were just saying there was to fuck with CJ.
[23:25:06] <hesam> we were
[23:25:12] <hesam> but then we decided to have a real skype chat
[23:25:17] <buttercup> haha
[23:25:28] <buttercup> wait so there was no secret?!"
[23:25:30] <buttercup>
[23:25:36] <hesam> no
[23:25:40] <buttercup> aww
[23:25:52] <harvey> Disapointment.
[23:25:54] <***cjmiller is still waiting to be invited to the Skype chat***>
[23:26:02] <cjmiller> Hesam: SON I AM DISAPPOINT
[23:26:42] <hesam> um, I don't know what you mean by that
[23:26:58] <icebreaker> IT IS AN INTERNET MEME
[23:27:05] <buttercup> :
[23:27:09] <***cjmiller checks watch.***>
[23:27:09] <buttercup> ]*?
[23:27:12] <buttercup> **?
[23:27:29] <icebreaker> CJMiller: WHAT TIME IS IT?
[23:27:35] <cjmiller> 1826 EST
[23:27:40] <harvey> CJMiller is mostly internet memes tied together with some mental instability.
[23:27:52] <buttercup> its 2326 here
[23:28:05] <cjmiller> CJMiller is mostly awesome tied together with some micronationalism.
[23:28:06] <canadianasaurus> 11:26!
[23:28:15] <canadianasaurus> I refuse to use your 24 hour time
[23:28:21] <icebreaker> HANG ON LET ME CHECK MY BADASS CENTURY-OLD AMERICAN POCKETWATCH
[23:28:22] <hesam> lol
[23:28:25] <buttercup> haha
[23:28:33] <icebreaker> OH HEY 5:26
[23:28:37]<**mib_kod3qf quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **>
[23:28:38] <cjmiller> So you're in GMT-12 Canadianasaurus?
[23:29:07] <icebreaker> TERRIBLE JOKE, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE THE EFFORT
[23:29:21] <cjmiller> YOUR MOM APPRECIATES THE EFFORT
[23:29:48] <icebreaker> THAT WAS UNEXPECTED, ACTUALLY
[23:29:48] <hesam> CJMiller, you fail at life
[23:29:54] <cjmiller> No I do not
[23:29:57] <cjmiller> You fail at failing
[23:30:05] <cjmiller> which results in a status of "not even wrong"
[23:30:06] <canadianasaurus> 'so, he's a success
[23:30:11] <harvey> Does that mean he succeeds?
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[23:30:24] <cjmiller> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
[23:30:29] <cjmiller> No it does not mean he succeeds
[23:30:34] <cjmiller> It means he's not even wrong
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[23:30:48] <icebreaker> EVEN IF CJMILLER IS JUST AN ELABORATE TROLL, THIS IS STILL SORT OF FUN
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[23:31:02] <cjmiller> You said you would stop kicking me
[23:31:05]<**CJMiller has joined #micronations**>
[23:31:10] <harvey> icebreaker: I think it crossed elaborate a while ago.
[23:31:16] <buttercup> im getting tired
[23:31:17] <icebreaker> YEAH HESAM, YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT
[23:31:20] <harvey> HESAM THIS IS AN OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!!!!
[23:31:31] <hesam> actually, I don't recall any contract
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[23:31:37] <hesam> hey, he's gone!
[23:31:38] <harvey> I still think he might be Bill.
[23:31:39] <hesam> oh
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[23:31:54] <cjmiller> Harvey: I AM NOT BILL3000
[23:31:59] <cjmiller> Hesam: STOP FUCKING KICKING ME
[23:32:04] <hesam> hahaha
[23:32:06] <icebreaker> CJMiller: <3 ?
[23:32:11] <harvey> CJMiller: that's exactly what Bill would say!
[23:32:13] <canadianasaurus> What, he put the 3000 on there!
[23:32:17] <cjmiller> </3
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[23:32:23] <canadianasaurus> Suspicious!
[23:32:26] <cjmiller> GAYS ARE SCUM
[23:32:27] <icebreaker> YEAH GTFO BITCH

I have seen and read enough. Now that I have the evidence I requred. I rescind my previous decisions. CJMiller is denied citizenship.

DONE.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Erik...look at this one more time. I'm cutting it down to the important parts:

<cjmiiler> Obama's name is too close to Osama.
<cjmiiler> = terrorist
<cjmiiler> Hussein, as everyone knows, is Arabic for "terrorist".
<hesam> So Miller, do you think Brown people are terrorists?
<cjmiiler> Yes, brown, black and yellow people.
<cjmiller> Only if they're Middle Eastern.
<hesam> so all 'middle eastern' people are terrorists?
<cjmiller> All persons from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are terrorists
<malliki> CJMiller: What about Bahrain?
<hesam> or Lebanon?
<hesam> or Syria?
<harvey> Yeah fuck Labanon too
<cjmiller> All persons from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Bahrain, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are terrorists
<malliki> Libya????
<malliki> Tunisia?
<malliki> Algeria? Morocco? Mauretania? Somalia? Sudan?
<cjmiller> Poland
<cjmiller> New Jersey
<cjmiller> Malliki: They are all terrorists. Islam is a terrorist organization. Nuke Arabia.

Obama's a terrorist because his name sounds like Osama? Everyone knows Hussein is Arab for "terrorist"? All black, brown, and yellow people are terrorists (including the Japanese, who CJ's obsessed with?). Every single Middle Eastern country is terrorist (including Israel)? Poland and New Jersey as terrorists?

This is so obviously trolling that it boggles my mind that people could miss it. Now combine that with the evidence from elsewhere that his political views are pretty moderate.

I wouldn't be opposed to a policy of zero tolerance to trolling even if it's obviously not serious, but then let's apply that to everyone, not just CJ. Heck, let's ban Harvey for saying "fuck Lebanon". How do we know he didn't mean it?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

[Malliki Tosha]

Scott, cjmiiler is me, making fun of CJ. And I assure you, we triple checked. We asked him over and over if he really meant it, and the answer every time was yes. A smart person, or even a mildly retarded person, understands that when you say something extremely offensive that you don't really mean, you say no when asked repeatedly. But Antica is apparently contemplating letting him in there, so why not join them.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Sure they'd admit they weren't being serious...unless they were a troll. But forget it. Some idiots once took something I said out of context once and tried to convince people I was racist, it ruined my life for a while, and now I'm oversensitive to false racism accusations. But the more I read those chat logs, the more I realize that even though CJ doesn't really believe any of that crap, he brought it on himself and he's not worth my time to defend. I could say the same thing about everyone else in that chat, but (unfortunately) no one's attacking them.

[Ruth]

but (unfortunately) no one's attacking them

Scott wants all-out war!

[Malliki Tosha]

Oh noes, Scott the moral superior thinks we trolled an innocent. The horror!

[CJ Miller]

I have seen and read enough. Now that I have the evidence I requred. I rescind my previous decisions. CJMiller is denied citizenship.

DONE.

*rages*