Imperial Decree #430: New capital

[Kaiser Leto III]

Imperial Decree #430: New capital

By the power invested in me by the Gods,

1. The City of Eliria in Elwynn is chosen as current and temporary capital of the Imperial Republic of Shireroth. Further administrative affairs will be arranged between the Duke of Elwynn and the Kaiser himself.

2. The Imperial Guard will act as additional security forces to ensure peace within the streets.

3. The Ducal Palace will house the Kaiser and his entourage.

Signed by my Nifty hand at Raynor's Keep,
on 3834 ASC
Leto III Ozymandias

[Gman Russell]

Forgive my outburst, your niftiness...


but what the fuck?!

[Harvey Steffke]

Okay, listen up, because the line is very close to being crossed here. This whole Al'Magroth thing is interesting in a sort of "oh gee, another unusual RP spilled over from Gralus into Shireroth" sort of way, but no further. If you want to contribute to the defeating of the Dark Lord in roleplay terms, by all means feel free to do so as a personal citizen. But you do NOT move the damn capital city by decree because of this recwar that was just forced upon us out of the blue one day and which it seems the large majority of the nation doesn't care about.

I await the canceling of this decree. You have about a day.

[Kaiser Leto III]

As said: temporary, which means that it will return back to narmal eventually.

No, for once I will not have me blackmailed. The decree stays. For now.

[Harvey Steffke]

Do with your day whatever you wish.

[Andreas the Wise]

Okay, listen up, because the line is very close to being crossed here. This whole Al'Magroth thing is interesting in a sort of "oh gee, another unusual RP spilled over from Gralus into Shireroth" sort of way, but no further. If you want to contribute to the defeating of the Dark Lord in roleplay terms, by all means feel free to do so as a personal citizen. But you do NOT move the damn capital city by decree because of this recwar that was just forced upon us out of the blue one day and which it seems the large majority of the nation doesn't care about.

I await the canceling of this decree. You have about a day.

If this is people's reactions, I'm definitely pushing for the disbandment of the SCOWL treaty after this. I was already planning to if there was little reaction apart from Ardy, but if you're going to react like this ...

[Harvey Steffke]

No offense Andreas, but I wasn't interested in fighting against a nebulous dark lord that unethically amassed a huge amount of power through a system I didn't understand and was admittedly flawed by its creators and was demanding I defend myself clear out of the blue at a time when Shireroth isn't doing so hot. I didn't want to rain on your parade directly if I could avoid it, which is why I haven't said anything about it until now and have been okay with people doing whatever they were going to do. But if it's going to affect Shireroth in ways that involve moving the capital then it has officially become my problem.

I would support the disbandment of SCOWL. It just doesn't seem to work.

[Andreas the Wise]

I would support the disbandment of SCOWL. It just doesn't seem to work.

*For Shireroth. It works excellently for Gralus. But I'm beginning to have serious doubts any other nation is cut out for constant recwar. Actually, given the last five wars or attempts at wars Shireroth has been marginally involved in, I'm not sure Shireroth is cut out for recwar under a structure, any sort of structure, full stop.

[Harvey Steffke]

My apologies; I was referring to SCOWL only in the international sense. There is no doubt it works for Gralus.

And yes, Shireroth does not seem to care much for structured recwars. It seems that a lot of people want to back to unstructured recwars where there were no charters or move rules or battle rules or judges.

[Malliki Tosha]

Srsly guys, the only rules needed are how much troops you can have and how they move. End of story. Throw in a good judge and you have a recwar.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

The problem I've always had with SCOWL was that you gain troops over a certain period of time. So if there's a war in March, someone who posted "Hey, I sign up for SCOWL" in January has a massive advantage over everyone else, and any new person who thinks the war sounds cool and wants to start is hugely disadvantaged. Or at least that was my understanding.

As for this decree, I dunno what everyone's getting so worked up about. It would've been easier for Jonas to just say in the game thread that he was RP-moving the capital. Decreeing it is a bit silly, but as long as he changes it back I don't see it as anything worse than a waste of a decree.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

Now, if I may - what this all boils down to is:

You are all weak and useless next to Andreas who at least has the foresight and ability to plot in an effective manner. Now shut the fuck up you whiney little bastards and make Al'Magroth/Andreas Kaiser. Also I think Shireroth is entirely unsuited to any sort of system that involves coherent thought.

[Daniel Farewell]

We've had worse decrees.

Like the options decree.

Or Jadie's "all males are to give me sum lovin'" decree.

[Gman Russell]

That was a great decree....

[AryezturMejorkhor]

I hereby declare myself Kaiser and Mejor the new capital.


















(joke)

[Allot]

I wrote this in a semi-rage, and I wasn't originally going to post it, but Leo and Cho'Gall convinced me. My thoughts:

I originally had a post beginning with "for the love of fuck", but it seemed a bit rude, so let's contemplate the existential instead.

Suppose the Kaiser doesn't remove his decree. Greg and Harvey make a post like this:
"Shireroth is not how I want it to be. I AM REBELLING. *eloquent language that I, Harvey, have a flair for*"

What precisely does that accomplish? What do you expect? I think that people (generalized) have a bad habit of "rebelling" whenever something happens that they don't like. And what's more upsetting to me personally is that you never see Leo or Gareth or me (except that one time in Elwynn, but Scott told me to) rebelling. It seems that the right to rebel is reserved for those who have been here the longest, the old-timers, the "old boys club". Andreas has been here a long time, but if someone new like Gareth had come up with a controversial idea like this and you people had reacted this way, you might have lost a citizen. This is why Shireroth rarely gets new citizens: the atmosphere is the most hostile on Micras (maybe Antica?). I think the elite here on Shireroth (and you know who you are) have gotten in to the habit of getting things their way and their way only. Now ask yourselves, Shirithians: is this a micronation, or a club? Do you want true political simulation, as the wiki claims, or do you want things your way? Decide now, because guess what? In real life, politicians make unpopular decisions. And never (almost never) do the citizens threaten to rebel (minus the wackos on YouTube) or depose the ruler. At the very most, a demonstration. Voicing of objections is perfectly fine and contributes to the simulation. Blackmailing and threatening to rebel or secede (more than once) is just a) childish and b) annoying. Bravo to Jonas for finally standing up to you. I'm particularly surprised at you, Harvey, because you've threatened me with deposition as well.

Now maybe I haven't been here for five years, and maybe I didn't participate in the Great RecWar I Don't Remember, and maybe I don't know who Sai'Kar is, but I know I'm not the only person on Shireroth who is more than a little fed up with this eternal state of bitching.

I will leave it at that, because I'm sure people will want to reply. I'm not going to do anything about it, but I'd ask you to think about it.

[Cho'Gall]

oh snap

[Harvey Steffke]

Kay. You win. I'm done being the bad guy.

[Bill3000]

Since when has Shireroth ever been a political simulation?

[Andreas the Wise]

Al'Magroth's takeover was not intended to cause huge divisions (at least, not unless someone chose to play as evil with me). It's just an experiment. I hoped that attacking everyone at once might provoke some Shirithians to actually respond. Instead, its shown that when Shirithians said earlier that they wanted an international recwar system, and I said, "Well, if you're sure, here's one that works," I should have said "No, you really don't." And that mistake will be rectified in ... oh, a little over a week from now, when Al'Magroth gets killed, and I can properly propose and remove Shireroth from SCOWL. In the meantime, if you don't kill the one or two citizens who are actually interested in a recwar system and responding, that would be nice.

[Malliki Tosha]

I'm getting a bit annoyed that you constantly equate good recwarring with SCOWL or Anunia. I understand that you think so, but you leave no room for those of us that like recwars but not those systems.

[Andreas the Wise]

I had a post, but I've decided it would be better to not. I'm now no longer sure why I'm apologising or what I'm even apologising for, and that's not a good state to post in. I'll just say one word, for the benefit of anyone who thought the same as Malliki: QUARREL.

[Malliki Tosha]

How about no?

[Andreas the Wise]

QUARREL = No, I'm not enamored with Anunia as the be all and end all of recwar systems. As evidenced by the fact I helped work on QUARREL.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Kay. You win. I'm done being the bad guy.

Wait, someone says you should stop responding to things by saying "screw you guys, I'm going home" and you respond to it by saying "screw you guys, I'm going home"?

Allot, I agree that your post is accurate, but to prevent any confusion I'd like to point out that the converse doesn't hold: While it *is* more acceptable/accepted for a member of the "OBC" than a newbie to rebel... some of us old boys get by in Shireroth just fine without resorting to that tactic. I mean, take for instance my plan for freedom of internal government in duchies. I'm not quite there yet, but over the last couple of years I've made a decent distance: The Lawbook still doesn't have proper provision for non-dictatorial dukes, but it's considered normal by now for duchies to have internal governments with the ability to override the duke anyway in some respects; and the Lawbook has become silent, the way it's supposed to be, about the organisation of subdivisions within duchies. I've made my mark on the nation by making little changes, movements and propositions, by arguing my case whenever appropriate, and so on: I'm having my way in Shireroth, even over protests from Erik and other traditionalists.

I'm not trying to be all superior here, but fact is, I think that for the purpose of convincing people about your vision of Shireroth, I've been doing a hell of a lot of a better job than Harvey. It might have taken more effort, and I agree that Harvey has better things to spend his time on than Shireroth (CoD2 CoD2 CoD2 CoD2 CoD2), but at least I know it *is* possible to change and move things in Shireroth.

[Kaiser Leto III]

I'm not trying to be all superior here, but fact is, I think that for the purpose of convincing people about your vision of Shireroth, I've been doing a hell of a lot of a better job than Harvey. It might have taken more effort, and I agree that Harvey has better things to spend his time on than Shireroth (CoD2 CoD2 CoD2 CoD2 CoD2), but at least I know it *is* possible to change and move things in Shireroth.

Posts like these remember me of it that we don't give your work the attention that it actually deserves, Ari.


Harvey, don't take it too hard. But honestly, I'm sick of it that, like Allot said, that the newer citizens (and that's how I still feel, even after almost three years) have to shut up and put away their controversial proposals / ideas if they don't want to get a 'I'm leaving'-response from an older citizen. The same with this matter, which isn't as disastrous as you see it.

[Gman Russell]

To let me clarify, I didn't even know there was a recwar/RPG going on.


But seriously, if you want to keep things the same right now, you're looked upon as being repressive and part of the OBC, when in reality you just like how things are. I like the old flag, not because I hate change, but because i'm comfy with it. Leaving seems to be the only thing that solves anything, because as long as one of us is around, one of us will be upset. The older folks will be mad because their being sneered at by younger citizens who want to change everything they like, and younger citizens will be mad (here's looking at you, Allot) because there are people who like the way things are right now and would argue against whatever it is their proposing.

It's not really fair to either side, now is it? So what's the best solution? Someone has to go. Harvey realized this, and chose the easier path. Even if he returns, he will still clash with people like Allot, which creates the same problem. There is no solution.

[Malliki Tosha]

Yet I don't see a mass exodus from democratic micronations all the time.

[Gman Russell]

No, they just whither and die. Yet Shireroth has endured.

[Malliki Tosha]

You know that isn't exactly correct either. Antica has been around for a while, I don't see people quitting in a huff there all the time, because people have learned that the majority rules. The same with several other pretty old micronations.