[Wintergleam] Request for Payment

[Harald of Froyalan]

To the Minister of Trade:

Your Excellency,

In accordance with the provisions of Imperial Decree 282 I hereby request 200 erb to be paid to my account for I was Duke of Froyalan at the moment the said Imperial Decree was issued. (I did not have a bank account at the time.)

I hereby also request the monies a Duke was granted by the Kaiser for putting his militia at the disposal of the Imperial Government during the war with Bosworth. That was 20 erb I think.

[Andreas the Wise]

Was the money for just putting a militia at disposal, or for actually fighting?

[Harald of Froyalan]

It indeed was for simply putting the Ducal militia consisting of the various County militias at the Imperial Governments disposal.

[Hesam Jayatar]

It was for fighting the war, and was the result of a decree. Warranted if you ask me.

[Andreas the Wise]

Ok, sure then ...

[Harald of Froyalan]

Your Excellency,

In accordance with the provisions of Imperial Decree 282 I hereby request an additional 200 erb to be paid to my account for I was appointed Steward by Imperial Decree 286.

[Andreas the Wise]

Hesam can correct me, but I'd be of the opinion we don't pay out short term (less than a week) stewards. I mean, during the civil war Jacobus declared Liam and Jess stewards. Should they get 200 erb too?

I know you weren't doing this to cheat the system, but others could. I think both Stewardship and Dukedom have to be long term to be paid out ...

[Harald of Froyalan]

A citizen who achieves a higher status within the hierarchy of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth (as stated in Article 5 of this decree) shall be issued an allotment of currency according to their new rank.

Your Excellency,

Your stance goes against the provisions of the Imperial Decree. Nowhere the Imperial Decree mentions that one should a hold a position for a minimum period to be eligible for a pay out under that Imperial Decree.

I, furthermore, did not resign from the Stewardship but ceased to be the Steward in another manner.

[Andreas the Wise]

However, the decree also states clearly that it is .... oh, wait, that's Yvain's Fraud bill.

However, I have authority of interpretation (under the Kaiser and Arbiter). My interpretation is for precedents sake, it would be best not to pay ... (because I do not want to encourage the "lets make every member of the Duchy a Baron for a day or two so they can get more money for us", much less the recognition of Stewards in time of civil war ...)

[hypatias mom]

But, Andreas, Harald was a duke of long-standing, not holding the position just for a short while. I don't know exactly when he became lesser nobility, but it seems to me he is right in requesting this payment.

[Andreas the Wise]

Oh certainly the Ducal payment, he has received that. I refer merely to the Steward payment.

[hypatias mom]

I apologize for inserting myself here, then. I was under the misaprehension that the payment referred to his ducal status.

[Andreas the Wise]

No apology needed - I've made similar mistakes before. I always value your input, Hypatias Mom.

[hypatias mom]

Thank you for your graciousness, kind Sir.

[Hesam Jayatar]

Honour,

Is this issue solved then? Or do you require action on my part?

[Harald of Froyalan]

This issue is far from over, believe me.

[Hesam Jayatar]

Harald, do you have MSN?

[Andreas the Wise]

Well, there are two options.

One is we pay you out, but make clear the circumstances of your ascension so this doesn't spark a host of other payouts. Thing is, if we pay you out now, if you ever become Steward again for a proper length of time, you won't get anymore money. You'll have been paid out forever.

The second is we don't pay you out, and make clear that it's not because lack of competency or legitimacy on your part, but because Stewards come and go during civil wars and we only recognise people who have held the post without dispute from the population for at least a week. That makes the precedent clear, and someone of your talents will surely rise to Steward again, and be able to receive the 200 then.

[Hesam Jayatar]

Andreas, check my suggestions in the "Claim Cut Off Date" post.

[Harald of Froyalan]

Well, there are two options.

One is we pay you out, but make clear the circumstances of your ascension so this doesn't spark a host of other payouts. Thing is, if we pay you out now, if you ever become Steward again for a proper length of time, you won't get anymore money. You'll have been paid out forever.

I would prefer this option.