Economic Bill
Re: Economic Bill
Do you know there is a Landsraad Front Gate for this conversation? 
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Re: Economic Bill
No! We nobles must discuss these matters in the Landsraad, it's our Kaiser-given privilege. 
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It takes moo to mango!
:: Formerly just "benkern"
:: Rook Sentry of the Order of the Vorpal Blade
:: Count of Mar Sara IIRC
:: Former Baron of Absentia AFAIK, before that Baron of Vorpmadal TBH; also Former Duke of Yardistan IMHO
:: Dux Emeritus of the Order of Mischievous Intent
It takes moo to mango!
Re: Economic Bill
Not when we are voting, you guys make a mess of this topic.b3n|<3r|\| wrote:No! We nobles must discuss these matters in the Landsraad, it's our Kaiser-given privilege.
Voting: here.
Discussion (when it's voting time): somewhere else.
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Re: Economic Bill
Come on, that's why the job of Praetor is so hard. Wading through the crap to find the votes. 
Vilhelm von Benkern - The Dolphin-...Count
:: Formerly just "benkern"
:: Rook Sentry of the Order of the Vorpal Blade
:: Count of Mar Sara IIRC
:: Former Baron of Absentia AFAIK, before that Baron of Vorpmadal TBH; also Former Duke of Yardistan IMHO
:: Dux Emeritus of the Order of Mischievous Intent
It takes moo to mango!
:: Formerly just "benkern"
:: Rook Sentry of the Order of the Vorpal Blade
:: Count of Mar Sara IIRC
:: Former Baron of Absentia AFAIK, before that Baron of Vorpmadal TBH; also Former Duke of Yardistan IMHO
:: Dux Emeritus of the Order of Mischievous Intent
It takes moo to mango!
Re: Economic Bill
No! I will not give up! Everyone must be silent!b3n|<3r|\| wrote:Come on, that's why the job of Praetor is so hard. Wading through the crap to find the votes.
Ow beautiful silence...
Okay, speak further...
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Re: Economic Bill
You can always delete posts..... You have the authority. And if it's just spam conversation, I as Arbiter would support your actions.
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Likewise as Kaiser and feel free to delete this post.
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Re: Economic Bill
It is the role of the Praetor to keep order in the Landsraad, and for the nobles to listen to the Praetor. The Praetor is authorized to penalize nobles for misconduct.
Re: Economic Bill
I don't delete posts, never! We must stay high in the Forumlist!
I want some Dukes that haven't vote yet to vote...
I want some Dukes that haven't vote yet to vote...
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Re: Economic Bill
Straylight NAY and NAY. I decided to listen to my heart after all and go with my general dislike of micronational economies.
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Re: Economic Bill
Proposition I - APPROVED
Aye: 2
Nay: 1
Abstain: 0
Proposition II - DISAPPROVED
Aye: 1
Nay: 1
Abstain: 1
Okay... I wanted to wait untill there was a new Duke of Brookshire but NOOOOOOO... everyone wants to get this finished. Now you see: Proposition II is disapproved (I'm not in favour of it, but I was curious)!
Aye: 2
Nay: 1
Abstain: 0
Proposition II - DISAPPROVED
Aye: 1
Nay: 1
Abstain: 1
Okay... I wanted to wait untill there was a new Duke of Brookshire but NOOOOOOO... everyone wants to get this finished. Now you see: Proposition II is disapproved (I'm not in favour of it, but I was curious)!
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No, my Duke! I demand a recount and that you change your vote on proposition too, or I'll withdraw my erbs from your future ...
Oh damn.
Oh damn.
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Re: Economic Bill
Andreas the Wise wrote:No, my Duke! I demand a recount and that you change your vote on proposition too, or I'll withdraw my erbs from your future ...
Oh damn.
Maybe my Ducal Council can vote about this? And I miss still two Duchies that need to vote...
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Re: Economic Bill
Well, this has been a pointless excercise since the economy won't work without both parts.
Re: Economic Bill
I don't agree, Your Niftiness. The first proposition can work without the second, only the second can't work without the first.Kaiser Hasan I wrote:Well, this has been a pointless excercise since the economy won't work without both parts.
We can register companies now and... and... ahum... and... and...
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Someone bug Harold or Yvain to vote, and it passes ...
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Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
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Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
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Re: Economic Bill
Froyalan votes Aye on both parts of the Bill.
Harald of Ettlingar Freyu
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Re: Economic Bill
I'm sorry. It's just too late...Harald of Froyalan wrote:Froyalan votes Aye on both parts of the Bill.
Okay, okay!
Approved! Grmbl...
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Re: Economic Bill
Jonas, seeing as how this was sitting here for a month and no one bothered to answer it. I'd like to address two options.
I could re-write this and add or subtract a few things and submit it again, or you could save me a lot of work and extend the voting session so that at least all submitted votes are counted.
I could re-write this and add or subtract a few things and submit it again, or you could save me a lot of work and extend the voting session so that at least all submitted votes are counted.
Re: Economic Bill
But, Your Niftiness. This bill already passed...
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Re: Economic Bill
Yes, I understand that. However there was no determined time limit for the bill. There was no set "deadline". Having half of the bill pass is next to useless. which means I now have to go and write a second bill containing the essence of the second part and submit it as its own bill (which I will do if I must). Or you could set an actual deadline for the bill (say, wednesday) and allow all the dukes to finish voting.
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I think he means that Harold voted, and so he passed the second part also ...
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Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
Re: Economic Bill
Yes, indeed...Andreas the Wise wrote:I think he means that Harold voted, and so he passed the second part also ...
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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Except the Arbiter doesn't like it ...
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However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
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Re: Economic Bill
Right, well I'm going to address both issues here. Since the Arbiter has gone ahead and proposed a Bill regarding proceedures of the Praetor, I'm going to put forth a bill identifying the Arbiters rights, powers and jurisdiction. Erik mentioned his position as arbiter is impotent and I agree. As such I think there should be a section of the charter which gives the Arbiter more power than simply as a "reactive judgement". I believe the Arbiter should be able to make judgements on breaches of proceedure and law even when not petitioned. I'll PM Erik directly about this and we'll work out the details.
Re: Economic Bill
But the Arbiter hasn't any power...Andreas the Wise wrote:Except the Arbiter doesn't like it ...
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Re: Economic Bill
As arbiter I shall voice the view, that any change should be made in the Lawbook, not the Charter.
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The second part of this bill, being illegally passed after the vote had closed, is hereby overturned by the authority vested in me as Arbiter of the Imperial Judex, as outlined in Article III, Section B of the Imperial Charter.
Relevant discussion on legal issues located here: http://shireroth.kuroshiro.net/forum/vi ... f=4&t=8332
Relevant discussion on legal issues located here: http://shireroth.kuroshiro.net/forum/vi ... f=4&t=8332
Re: Economic Bill
Yeah, overturn this devil's bill!

Someone has a new proposal?
Someone has a new proposal?
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Re: Economic Bill
Whoa, someone actually used a Shirithian governmental mechanism to do something useful 
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