Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
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Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
I think there's a tradition that needs changing. Namely, the "no foreigner can be Kaiser" tradition.
Kaiser Hasan I and new Kaiser Ric have both been Babkhans who quit their Babkhan citizenship in order to get the throne. I expect that now that Hasan's no longer Kaiser, eventually he'll join Babkha again. That's too easy. The Kaisership of Shireroth is a big enough prize that of course a contender would be willing to temporarily emigrate and then reimmigrate three months later in order to win it. That says nothing about the Kaiser's loyalty. I think Kaiser Hasan WAS loyal, but the next guy to try that stunt might not be.
So, I suggest a new tradition. A Kaiser must not currently be a citizen of a foreign power, and must not have been a citizen of a foreign power for a month or so (the time is flexible) before he becomes Kaiser.
I don't know whether the one-cit rule is a Landsraad Law, a Kaiserial Decree, or a Prophetic Tradition, but whoever's in charge of it should consider changing it.
Kaiser Hasan I and new Kaiser Ric have both been Babkhans who quit their Babkhan citizenship in order to get the throne. I expect that now that Hasan's no longer Kaiser, eventually he'll join Babkha again. That's too easy. The Kaisership of Shireroth is a big enough prize that of course a contender would be willing to temporarily emigrate and then reimmigrate three months later in order to win it. That says nothing about the Kaiser's loyalty. I think Kaiser Hasan WAS loyal, but the next guy to try that stunt might not be.
So, I suggest a new tradition. A Kaiser must not currently be a citizen of a foreign power, and must not have been a citizen of a foreign power for a month or so (the time is flexible) before he becomes Kaiser.
I don't know whether the one-cit rule is a Landsraad Law, a Kaiserial Decree, or a Prophetic Tradition, but whoever's in charge of it should consider changing it.
Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
The Charter, I think. And like everyone knows the Charter can only get changed with approval of the Kaiser and Praetor.I don't know whether the one-cit rule is a Landsraad Law, a Kaiserial Decree, or a Prophetic Tradition, but whoever's in charge of it should consider changing it.
Section C: Heir to the Throne.
The Kaiser before the end of his life reign as Kaiser must pick a successor from among all living individuals, eligible by birthright. Should the Kaiser die or abdicate the throne, the Kaisership shall pass to his successor. Should no heir have been chosen, the successor shall be the closest related, living individual eligible by birthright. The Kaiser may hold no citizenships outside of Shireroth.
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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It is worth noting at this juncture that the newly appointed Kaiser has renounced his Stormarker citizenship and never had Babkhan citizenship to begin with.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
Enough trickery, enough twisting of law and tradition to suit the ego.
The Landsraad settled the last affair, and the Landsraad can settle this.
The Landsraad settled the last affair, and the Landsraad can settle this.
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I was hoping we didn't have to get this far in all this drivel... Ah, well...
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Drivel !?
I'm shocked to hear a would be Kaiser speak thusly. Of course, we are all in trauma, and unguarded utterances may well come forth in our grief.
I'm shocked to hear a would be Kaiser speak thusly. Of course, we are all in trauma, and unguarded utterances may well come forth in our grief.
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I am sorry, my Lord. My apologies. I find that the situation is getting clearer and clearer by the hour. Thus the need for clarifications would be unnecessary.
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Let not your heart be troubled, the fault is not thine.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
Actually, this is the most fun I've had following the events in Shireroth since, well, the War of the Sightseers (I was not around during the communist rebellion). It broke my heart to see Shireroth act all dickish on the international scene lately... but an actual rebellion where the only people who might get their feelings hurt are Shirithians (who all understand that feeling hurt is, well, not exactly the point) is a different matter. We're having a grand ol' time here!andelarion wrote:I was hoping we didn't have to get this far in all this drivel... Ah, well...
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Foreign Policy discussions very soon, open to all.
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When you're putting it that way...Ari Rahikkala wrote:Actually, this is the most fun I've had following the events in Shireroth since, well, the War of the Sightseers (I was not around during the communist rebellion). It broke my heart to see Shireroth act all dickish on the international scene lately... but an actual rebellion where the only people who might get their feelings hurt are Shirithians (who all understand that feeling hurt is, well, not exactly the point) is a different matter. We're having a grand ol' time here!andelarion wrote:I was hoping we didn't have to get this far in all this drivel... Ah, well...
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Andelarion for Steward! (at least)
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To be honest. I don't support changing the tradition. It would only make it harder to have a Kaiser. Now it isn't a problem to find a succesor, but there where (and there will again be) times the Empire wasn't as active as it is now. And then we need a strong Kaiser, even if he or she was the day before citizen of another nation.
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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oh yeah. I kinda agree. At least at the moment. I don't think it would be prudent to make such a change. Seems a bit.. reactionary.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
The Stewardship was promised to Liam. Kaiser Loki II keeps his word.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
*Sees an opportunity*
Please Your Niftiness, promise me something!
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
If "Loki" keeps his word, than I must be removed as Duke in favour of the Khan.
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Hasn't the Kaiser already said that he won't replace you?
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
Then he breaks his word to his own supporter, Ardashir.
Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
Link to where he's promised Elwynn to Ardashir then?
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Ask Loki yourself.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
Shut up hasan...
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Convenient. I too want to say things without proving them.
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Go ahead, ask him. If he denies it, he denies it. But I highly doubt he will.
Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
And if he denies it, you will say that he's lying, right? So you are right anyway.
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If he denies it, I won't call him anything. I just want to see him completely deny it. The last time I asked him about it, he "softened" the accusation but did not deny it outright.
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I did not promise Elwynn to Ardy.
Today, however, seeing as that the current Duke of Elwynn stands in rebellion against me, I did tell several people that I would like to see this attitude on the part of an important vassal change to a more positive one.
Should the name of this Duke be Hasan, all well and good. If it be Ardy, fine.
Hasan, how about this? If you believe andelarion should be Kaiser, then he would make a fine Duke. Let him apprentice, as it were as Duke of Elwynn.
Today, however, seeing as that the current Duke of Elwynn stands in rebellion against me, I did tell several people that I would like to see this attitude on the part of an important vassal change to a more positive one.
Should the name of this Duke be Hasan, all well and good. If it be Ardy, fine.
Hasan, how about this? If you believe andelarion should be Kaiser, then he would make a fine Duke. Let him apprentice, as it were as Duke of Elwynn.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
That makes no sense what so ever. And if anything it gives you a nice arrangement by which to achieve your goals. How does "apprenticing" as a duke stop your rebellion against him? He is the Kaiser, you are not. You've rebelled against the laws of the state and thrown your own personal ambition before the well being of the nation. You've proven you've no respect for the rule of law, and you stand as the single most selfish claimant to the throne I've seen since the last time you threatened civilwar when you didn't get your way. Agreements and dealings aside, for your selfishness alone I oppose you.
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Re: Maybe none of the Landsraad's business, but...
Someone get the Duke a mirror!and thrown your own personal ambition before the well being of the nation.
He is the one who drug an essentially nice guy into a conflict between large egos.
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