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Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:39 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
Article 1. This decree shall supersede and replace any previous law or legislation related to the Economic System of Shireroth. It shall be deemed as Law and Precedent when dealing with all issues regarding economics and shall act foremost among laws for the economic and financial issues.

Article 2. The authority of interpretation of the following articles rests in the following offices:
a) The Kaiser
b) The Arbiter
c) The Minister of Trade

i) The Kaiser shall act as supreme regulator of the economy and will hold all currency as property of The Crown. Crown Currency represents the total sum of currency in circulation and shall be held in The Crown Account. The Crown Account shall act as the account of The Government Of Shireroth under the authority of The Kaiser. All currencies shall be distributed from the Crown Account and all taxes deposited to The Crown Account. The Crown Account may not be drawn on by The Kaiser himself for personal use, but the sum funds residing in The Crown Account are reserved for the purpose of government spending as determined by The Kaiser, The Steward or by Act of the Landsraad. The Kaiser may hold a personal account known as "The Household Account" which remains the personal property of the reigning Kaiser. This account is subject to the authority of The Arbiter as noted below.

ii) In cases dealing with procedure, The Minister of Trade (hereafter referred simply as "the minister") shall act as director and comptroller of the functioning of the economic system. The minister shall promote the use of the economic system and devise of new ways to implement it. The minister shall act as the authority for registering businesses and shall ensure the correct procedures are followed by said companies. The minister is not warranted to conduct any financial investigations, nor warranted to audit companies registered in The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth. All issues of international trade must be overseen and approved of by the minister who in turn will notify The Kaiser.

iii) The Arbiter shall act as auditor of any and all accounts registered within The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth. The Arbiter shall have access to any and all bank records and transactions and is charged with Royal warrant to investigate any financial issue. All disputes regarding a financial nature shall be presided over by The Arbiter. The Arbiter is warranted to apply fines, restrictions and procedural limitations on any account or company registered within the Imperial Republic Of Shireroth with the exception to the accounts held by The Crown, but not limited to personal accounts held by the monarch.

Article 3. The unit of currency used by the subjects and inhabitants of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth shall be known as "The Erb". Erb may be traded and owned only by citizens of The Imperial Republic of Shireroth and limited to trade within the Realm unless otherwise decreed by The Kaiser or by act of Landsraad.

Article 4. The total sum of Erb shall begin at 5000 Erb in circulation. Additional Erb may be added to circulation as required by the authority of The Kaiser or by Act of landsraad. All Erb shall be initially issued from The Crown Account and distributed to other accounts as stated within this decree. Additional distributions may be made By The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad from The Crown account or by regular functions of the economy as stated within this Decree. The transfer of currency between two parties (either company or citizen) may be done so at will but remain subject to potential audit if required by The Kaiser, The Arbiter or by Act of Landsraad.

Article 5. The initial issue of currency at the launch of this new economic system shall be as follows:

a) 500 erb to The Household Account
b) 400 erb to The Steward
c) 200 erb to each Duke
d) 100 erb to each Baron
e) 50 erb to each standing citizen and each new citizen not among those listed above.

Article 6. A citizen who revokes their citizenship or is declared legally dead by The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad will have their account revoked, and the balance returned to The Crown Account. Any individual who had once held citizenship in The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth who then renounced their citizenship and has again applied for citizenship shall not be issued the initial allotment of currency as stated in Article 5 e). A citizen who achieves a higher status within the hierarchy of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth (as stated in Article 5 of this decree) shall be issued an allotment of currency according to their new rank. If that citizen then revokes their rank and is reinstated to that rank, they will not receive an additional allotment of currency.

Article 7. The value of The Erb shall be pegged to a vote in The Landsraad. The total amount of erb in the account of a voting member of the Landsraad will be counted as the total amount of votes that member has within the Landsraad. Should the subjects within a Duchy or Barony wish to boost the votes of their Duke or Baron, they may state in the Landsraad that they wish their erb to be counted toward the vote of their Duke or Baron. A subject within a Barony may not have their erb counted toward the vote of a Baron or Duke who is not their own. A Baron may not have their erb counted toward the vote of a Baron or Duke who is not their own.

Article 8. Erb counted toward votes in the Landsraad are not terminated at the end of each vote, but may be reused and reflected in the gain and loss of currency within the account of each voter.

Article 9. Citizens wishing to register a Business within the Imperial Republic Of Shireroth must register within the Ministry of Trade. They must state who the primary owner of the company is and is limited to one owner. Profits gained by the company will be deposited into the owners account and distributed by the owner as they see fit. Companies engaging in international trade are forbidden to exchange erb with a foreign currency, or give erb to non-citizens of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth unless otherwise stated by The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad.

Article 9. The Kaiser may not use the balance of The Household Account to vote in the Landsraad, but may use the balance as otherwise desired within the limit of regulations stated in this decree.

Article 10. All currencies will be held within accounts registered to the Bank of The Imperial Republic of Shireroth.

So thats what I have so far. Andreas, since you agreed to edit, do your worst.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:16 pm
by Erik Mortis
hmmm. at first glance more or less looks okey.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:34 am
by Kaiser Hasan I
Well I know for a fact it has to be reformatted since each Article has way too much information. So instead of 10 Articles, it will likely have about 25.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:34 am
by Erik Mortis
And technically it has to be written in a form that allows it to fit into the decreebook or lawbook.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:43 pm
by Andreas the Wise
Article 2i, when it says "Crown Currency represents the total sum of currency in circulation and shall be held in The Crown Account" - does that mean it starts in the crown account, or that the crown account always has however much money is in circulation in it ... I assume it just has the amount of money NOT in circulation in it ... (it's just somewhat ambiguously worded)
Article 7 is ambiguous. Does this mean Barons can vote now too? Or does it mean Barons can decide whether their Baronies vote counts towards the Dukes, and citizens in the Barony can add their vote in too if the Baron says yes, but have no choice in their voting if their baron says no?

And new citizens get 50 automatically, yes? That wasn't quite clear.

What about Taxation and Government Bounties, would be my next question ...

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:52 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
Article 21 means the amount of currency held in the Crown account at any given time. Or basically "the budget" of the government. (in re-reading this, it is rather ambiguous)


Article 7 is an ambiguous way of saying: Dukes may support whomever they like, because they have voting rights. Barons may support each other within their own Duchy and their own Duke. Citizens are restricted to either withholding their votes (ie non-confidence in their dukes and barons) or having their votes counted toward the Duke or baron. I wrote it this way, just in case at some point in time, Duchies created their own legislatures.


Yes, a new citizen gets 50 erb upon joining and being accepted, but only once. This is to prevent people from joining, giving their erb to someone and then leaving again and restarting the process.

I did not include an Article on Taxation and Bounties as those don't really have to be regulated, but legislated or decreed.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:45 pm
by Andreas the Wise
Ok, that's quite reasonable then.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:59 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
Would you be willing to re-word those Articles to properly convey the meaning I intended? You, erm.. did say you'd edit if I drafted... :p

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:02 pm
by Erik Mortis
Will this be placed in the Decreebook or Lawbook. Doing the later would give the Landsraad access to change the laws if need be.

So, I'm still a bit confused.
Dukes are the only ones who vote and get votes equal to their wealth. And a Baron can add his/her wealth to the vote of a Duke if they want? And a citizen can...add their wealth to that of their baron? Who can add it to the Duke's vote?

A duke's vote power = Their wealth + (Wealth of any of their barons who support them + (The wealth of any of the baron's citizens who support them supporting the duke))

What a nightmare of numbers...Though if that's how it works.. it kinda amuses me.

So.. a baron can increase their Duke;s vote if they vote the way the baron likes, other wise the baron make no effect on the duke's vote. and a lowly count/citizen can boost their baron's support of the duke if they like how the duke voted.

This would give incentive for dukes to vote in ways that their people like, to bolster their power.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:07 pm
by Andreas the Wise
Article 1. This decree shall supersede and replace any previous law or legislation related to the Economic System of Shireroth. It shall be deemed as Law and Precedent when dealing with all issues regarding economics and shall act foremost among laws for the economic and financial issues.

Article 2. The authority of interpretation of the following articles rests in the following offices:
a) The Kaiser
b) The Arbiter
c) The Minister of Trade

i) The Kaiser shall act as supreme regulator of the economy and will hold all currency as property of The Crown. Crown Currency represents the total sum of currency not in general circulation and shall be held in The Crown Account. The Crown Account shall act as the account of The Government Of Shireroth under the authority of The Kaiser. All currencies shall be distributed from the Crown Account and all taxes deposited to The Crown Account. The Crown Account may not be drawn on by The Kaiser himself for personal use, but the sum funds residing in The Crown Account are reserved for the purpose of government spending as determined by The Kaiser, The Steward or by Act of the Landsraad. The Kaiser may hold a personal account known as "The Household Account" which remains the personal property of the reigning Kaiser. This account is subject to the authority of The Arbiter as noted below.

ii) In cases dealing with procedure, The Minister of Trade (hereafter referred simply as "the minister") shall act as director and comptroller of the functioning of the economic system. The minister shall promote the use of the economic system and devise of new ways to implement it. The minister shall act as the authority for registering businesses and shall ensure the correct procedures are followed by said companies. The minister is not warranted to conduct any financial investigations, nor warranted to audit companies registered in The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth. All issues of international trade must be overseen and approved of by the minister who in turn will notify The Kaiser.

iii) The Arbiter shall act as auditor of any and all accounts registered within The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth. The Arbiter shall have access to any and all bank records and transactions and is charged with Royal warrant to investigate any financial issue. All disputes regarding a financial nature shall be presided over by The Arbiter. The Arbiter is warranted to apply fines, restrictions and procedural limitations on any account or company registered within the Imperial Republic Of Shireroth with the exception to the accounts held by The Crown, but not limited to personal accounts held by the monarch.

Article 3. The unit of currency used by the subjects and inhabitants of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth shall be known as "The Erb". Erb may be traded and owned only by citizens of The Imperial Republic of Shireroth and limited to trade within the Realm unless otherwise decreed by The Kaiser or by act of Landsraad.

Article 4. The total sum of Erb shall begin at 5000 Erb in circulation. Additional Erb may be added to circulation as required by the authority of The Kaiser or by Act of landsraad. All Erb shall be initially issued from The Crown Account and distributed to other accounts as stated within this decree. Additional distributions may be made By The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad from The Crown account or by regular functions of the economy as stated within this Decree. The transfer of currency between two parties (either company or citizen) may be done so at will but remain subject to potential audit if required by The Kaiser, The Arbiter or by Act of Landsraad.

Article 5. The initial issue of currency at the launch of this new economic system shall be as follows:

a) 500 erb to The Household Account
b) 400 erb to The Steward
c) 200 erb to each Duke
d) 100 erb to each Baron
e) 50 erb to each standing citizen and each new citizen who did not qualify among those listed above in the original issue.

Article 6. A citizen who revokes their citizenship or is declared legally dead by The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad will have their account revoked, and the balance returned to The Crown Account. Any individual who had once held citizenship in The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth who then renounced their citizenship and has again applied for citizenship shall not be issued the initial allotment of currency as stated in Article 5 e). A citizen who achieves a higher status within the hierarchy of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth (as stated in Article 5 of this decree) shall be issued an allotment of currency according to their new rank. If that citizen then revokes their rank and is reinstated to that rank, they will not receive an additional allotment of currency.

Article 7. The value of The Erb shall be pegged to a vote in The Landsraad. The total amount of erb in the account of a voting member of the Landsraad will be counted as the total amount of votes that member has within the Landsraad. Only Dukes have a voting right in the Landsraad, either Aye or Nay. Should the subjects within a Duchy wish to boost the votes of their Duke or Baron, they may state in the Landsraad that they wish their erb to be counted toward the vote of their Duke. This decision is merely a "Support" or "Not support", and is either added to the Duke's current vote, or ignored for this voting issue. Likewise, in internal legislature where Barons have voting rights, they may vote Aye or Nay, and the subjects within may either "Support" or "Not support" their vote. One can only have their erb counted towards the vote of the Barony/Duchy they are currently in, not added to the opposite vote. A

Article 8. Erb counted toward votes in the Landsraad are not terminated at the end of each vote, but may be reused and reflected in the gain and loss of currency within the account of each voter.

Article 9. Citizens wishing to register a Business within the Imperial Republic Of Shireroth must register within the Ministry of Trade. They must state who the primary owner of the company is and is limited to one owner. Profits gained by the company will be deposited into the owners account and distributed by the owner as they see fit. Companies engaging in international trade are forbidden to exchange erb with a foreign currency, or give erb to non-citizens of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth unless otherwise stated by The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad.

Article 9. The Kaiser may not use the balance of The Household Account to vote in the Landsraad, but may use the balance as otherwise desired within the limit of regulations stated in this decree.

Article 10. All currencies will be held within accounts registered to the Bank of The Imperial Republic of Shireroth.
How's that?

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:09 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
OK, I'll clarify.

Anyone under their Duke can bolster the Dukes vote. Anyone who belongs to a particular Barony can Bolster THAT Barons vote. the second bit about the Baron's (as stated to Andreas) is mostly in case some Duchy decides to have a legislature at some point in the future.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:30 pm
by Andreas the Wise
So was my change accurate?

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:38 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
looks good. Well done.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:28 pm
by Erik Mortis
Take out the part about barons. Duchies should be allowed to run their voting as they wish. Only have this address voting in the Landsraad.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:30 am
by Kaiser Hasan I
Alright thats a deal.

Draft The Second please...

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:43 pm
by Erik Mortis
Once this passes I'll implement the money and reset the database to be useable, set an admin password and let you all have at it.

Any updates will have to wait till school is out.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:51 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
Sounds like a plan Stan

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:46 am
by Kaiser Hasan I
Andreas, could you edit this for its second draft please? I want to issue the decree soon and get the bank up and running.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 1:33 pm
by Andreas the Wise
Article 1. This decree shall supersede and replace any previous law or legislation related to the Economic System of Shireroth. It shall be deemed as Law and Precedent when dealing with all issues regarding economics and shall act foremost among laws for the economic and financial issues.

Article 2. The authority of interpretation of the following articles rests in the following offices:
a) The Kaiser
b) The Arbiter
c) The Minister of Trade

i) The Kaiser shall act as supreme regulator of the economy and will hold all currency as property of The Crown. Crown Currency represents the total sum of currency not in general circulation and shall be held in The Crown Account. The Crown Account shall act as the account of The Government Of Shireroth under the authority of The Kaiser. All currencies shall be distributed from the Crown Account and all taxes deposited to The Crown Account. The Crown Account may not be drawn on by The Kaiser himself for personal use, but the sum funds residing in The Crown Account are reserved for the purpose of government spending as determined by The Kaiser, The Steward or by Act of the Landsraad. The Kaiser may hold a personal account known as "The Household Account" which remains the personal property of the reigning Kaiser. This account is subject to the authority of The Arbiter as noted below.

ii) In cases dealing with procedure, The Minister of Trade (hereafter referred simply as "the minister") shall act as director and comptroller of the functioning of the economic system. The minister shall promote the use of the economic system and devise of new ways to implement it. The minister shall act as the authority for registering businesses and shall ensure the correct procedures are followed by said companies. The minister is not warranted to conduct any financial investigations, nor warranted to audit companies registered in The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth. All issues of international trade must be overseen and approved of by the minister who in turn will notify The Kaiser.

iii) The Arbiter shall act as auditor of any and all accounts registered within The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth. The Arbiter shall have access to any and all bank records and transactions and is charged with Royal warrant to investigate any financial issue. All disputes regarding a financial nature shall be presided over by The Arbiter. The Arbiter is warranted to apply fines, restrictions and procedural limitations on any account or company registered within the Imperial Republic Of Shireroth with the exception to the accounts held by The Crown, but not limited to personal accounts held by the monarch.

Article 3. The unit of currency used by the subjects and inhabitants of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth shall be known as "The Erb". Erb may be traded and owned only by citizens of The Imperial Republic of Shireroth and limited to trade within the Realm unless otherwise decreed by The Kaiser or by act of Landsraad.

Article 4. The total sum of Erb shall begin at 5000 Erb in circulation. Additional Erb may be added to circulation as required by the authority of The Kaiser or by Act of landsraad. All Erb shall be initially issued from The Crown Account and distributed to other accounts as stated within this decree. Additional distributions may be made By The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad from The Crown account or by regular functions of the economy as stated within this Decree. The transfer of currency between two parties (either company or citizen) may be done so at will but remain subject to potential audit if required by The Kaiser, The Arbiter or by Act of Landsraad.

Article 5. The initial issue of currency at the launch of this new economic system shall be as follows:

a) 500 erb to The Household Account
b) 400 erb to The Steward
c) 200 erb to each Duke
d) 100 erb to each Baron
e) 50 erb to each standing citizen and each new citizen who did not qualify among those listed above in the original issue.

Article 6. A citizen who revokes their citizenship or is declared legally dead by The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad will have their account revoked, and the balance returned to The Crown Account. Any individual who had once held citizenship in The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth who then renounced their citizenship and has again applied for citizenship shall not be issued the initial allotment of currency as stated in Article 5 e). A citizen who achieves a higher status within the hierarchy of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth (as stated in Article 5 of this decree) shall be issued an allotment of currency according to their new rank. If that citizen then revokes their rank and is reinstated to that rank, they will not receive an additional allotment of currency.

Article 7. The value of The Erb shall be pegged to a vote in The Landsraad. The total amount of erb in the account of a voting member of the Landsraad will be counted as the total amount of votes that member has within the Landsraad. Only Dukes have a voting right in the Landsraad, either Aye or Nay. Should the subjects within a Duchy wish to boost the votes of their Duke or Baron, they may state in the Landsraad that they wish their erb to be counted toward the vote of their Duke. This decision is merely a "Support" or "Not support", and is either added to the Duke's current vote, or ignored for this voting issue.

Article 8. Erb counted toward votes in the Landsraad are not terminated at the end of each vote, but may be reused and reflected in the gain and loss of currency within the account of each voter.

Article 9. Citizens wishing to register a Business within the Imperial Republic Of Shireroth must register within the Ministry of Trade. They must state who the primary owner of the company is and is limited to one owner. Profits gained by the company will be deposited into the owners account and distributed by the owner as they see fit. Companies engaging in international trade are forbidden to exchange erb with a foreign currency, or give erb to non-citizens of The Imperial Republic Of Shireroth unless otherwise stated by The Kaiser or by Act of Landsraad.

Article 9. The Kaiser may not use the balance of The Household Account to vote in the Landsraad, but may use the balance as otherwise desired within the limit of regulations stated in this decree.

Article 10. All currencies will be held within accounts registered to the Bank of The Imperial Republic of Shireroth.
It was just the baron bit then? That should be what we want ...

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:02 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
Excellent, thanks.

Now I suppose I have to re-format it into a decree as opposed to an article based document. Erik, is the bank reset? Once thats done I'll post the decree and we can instruct everyone to register accounts.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:25 pm
by Erik Mortis
Making me do more work aye?

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:31 pm
by Erik Mortis
done. admin password set and sent to you m'lord. 5000 in the admin account.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:04 pm
by Jacobus Loki
Is this official now? The heading says "Draft".

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:28 pm
by Kaiser Hasan I
It will continue to say draft until this weekend when I can decree it and distribute the monies.

Re: Imperial Decree #282 (DRAFT)

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:23 pm
by Jacobus Loki
Cool!