Shireroth

so basically....if a country merges with Shireroth they have to submit to the Kaiser....and the Kaiser or a representative must have admin priviledges in the board of the merging country..or it is considered treason? Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

Kaiser's Administrative Rights Act1) When a sovereign nation joins Shireroth, it forfeits its sovereignty to the Kaiser.2) The Kaiser, as it is His right and duty to be Sole Sovereign of the Nation, shall be given Admin priviliges to any nation's board that becomes a Subdivision of Shireroth. Likewise, he may request Admin to any board belonging to any Duchy, Barony or County, or any other future form of sub-division, that already belongs to Shireroth. 3)The Kaiser may appoint a representative to receive admin on subdivision boards in order to monitor their activities.4) Refusal to grant admin to the Kaiser or his representative will be considered treason against the Kaiser, and the subdivision will be punished for such acts.Purpose: Ironically, this comes from us leaving Tymaria. We had our own board and we were able to secede because nobody was paying any attention. This act supports the Kaiser's supremecy and helps maintain national security. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

Sucession from Tymaria? Was that actually legal to do?

Jadie: Yes. It means we can legitamately monitor terretories belonging to us because it is within our abilities as their holders. Having their own board gives them more sovereignty, and as an Empire, I think we are looking to avoid this. I actually developed this Idea from erik's thought that subdivisions should not even have boards.Gman: Yes, shireroth seceded from tymaria, though I don't know if it was legal...I can't remember...all I can remember is that I was in York when it happened and it was the first time I had decent internet access... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

What would this "punishment" you speak of be? Expelment (is that a word?) from Shireroth? Pointing and laughing? Mitä minä todella sanoin

I think expulsion would be if they were completely unwilling to. Perhaps loss of voting in the Landsraad if they are at first unwilling...really, i don't know...pretty much that clause means people can expect the kaiser to do something if people don't do as he says... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

I am going to have to think about this one for awhile. Question: You are saying if they have another website they have to give control of it to shireroth?

I have to be honest... I find this alittle hypocritical. They (Tymeria) didn't ask you to do this, and as a result you rebelled and broke away. Now you expect your own territories with their own websites to give you control?Please explain the flaw in my logic if I am wrong... but thats how I see it right now.

Simple. Tymaria was a fool. Shireroth is not. We saw the mistake that nation made, and we shant make the same. It's not hypricracy, it's intelligence. Their is nothing wrong with this act. The Kaiser is already supreme over the territories that he/she would be getting control over. This just reminds people, and specifies what the Kaiser can do. In a way to not grant this would be like, telling the Kaiser he/she is not supreme.. (I'm big on the supremecy of the Kaiser, so shoot me). E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

(but I don't wanna shoot you)Personally....I think this law isn't too bad of an idea...but I don't believe we need board rights. Sending a rep to keep an eye yes...but the supreme power is here...we don't need admin rights in every single separate forum (if there ends up being more than one) Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

I don't really like subdivisions haveing/using their own boards....at all... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

I agree... right now I'm in a state of total confusion about Shirlan (sorry to break the streak of not naming current names), since they've been evidently doing their diplomacy with this nation more on their board than ours... and I have no idea what has been going on in many cases.... I'll write more later... Raised by a family of Griffins in the forests of Llanowar, this young mage is rumored to be the sole male born of the Serra tribe.

Mari:Quote:Question: You are saying if they have another website they have to give control of it to shireroth? Not exactly. They can have their own website if they wish. However, any message board they have becomes the terretory of Shireroth because the Kaiser is supreme. The admin bit is to make sure that they can't have any forum secret from us.Think of it this way: We are an empire, and thus, we conquer things. This is like conquering terretory, but w/o a map. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

Also as an Empire we need to maintain our territories, and our power in those territories.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

Exactly. This bill asserts the supremecy of the Kaiser. Technically, it is his legal right to do such a thing, too. Voting nay wouldn't mean he can't do it. The bill just means that the landsraad supports the kaiser and sets down a legal law saying that any nation that willingly joins Shireroth admits the Kaiser to be supreme. The entire point of this bill is to set down into words something that can already be done. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

This is true.... I kinda forget about that sometimes... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

By passing this, the landsraad would agree to these conditions, setting the government in harmony. Also, it would mean that we approve of that ability and willingly submit to it. It also means that we think this is a good idea. Perhaps it is something the kaiser has not thought of, and we are suggesting he do it by making it a law that he can. So, yes... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

Goldshire (6) Abstains!(harvey didn't want his votes anymore) Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

*senses political intrigue* E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

Greater Yardistan votes Aye! (4)And yes, Erik. This bill is very political. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

Elwynn votes nay.I am sorry I think this is to control freakish! And if the leader of shireroth ever gets their ezobard hacked it won't just be a few forums in shireroth that get deleted.

That's why I instated the 10 character minimum on admin passwords.. lets see....26 letters... both upper and lower.. so.. 46 plus spaces..47 plus numbers... 57 ok.. so at least 57 character to choose from...so any 1 character in the password could be 57 different ones.. so.. you have a 1/57 chance of guessing one character right on it's own.. now.. 57^10 to get the prob of guessing the whole password..1/(3.62*10^17) chance of guessing a 10 character password which employs both upper and lower case, space, and numbers... mine is over 20... so.. the chance to guess my entire password.. 1/(1.31*10^35)....(not including the fact I've only said mine is at least 20...so it might be larger... by.. alot.... hehe) Is my point being made? If people stick to the min 10 character password for admin accounts, than that ISN"T really an issue.. Control freakish? What empire are you thinking about? Empire's don't survive on the honor system.. loyalty and control. Those are two things that empires survive on. Not being nice. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

What if the territory wishes to leave peacefully?

then they can ask. So far, i don't think any terretory has left...but i don't know... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

I don't think many have that option open to them... some do, under the agreement made when they joined.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

Kildare (nostalgia rush) votes Yea (4)(oh, yeah... and in case anybody cares.. the other two votes are currently going to the KF, since Schlangen has no protectorate yet..) Raised by a family of Griffins in the forests of Llanowar, this young mage is rumored to be the sole male born of the Serra tribe.

hmm....i would have suspected more support for a bill like this... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

Well... it looks like 3 of the 5 duchies to voice oppinions are for it... 1 of the remaining 2 is abstaining.. and the other is voting nay for whatever reasons.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

Quote:Simple. Tymaria was a fool. Shireroth is not. We saw the mistake that nation made, and we shant make the same.Look, this is not the real world. We can't control people's means of communication. It's quite impossible. The Internet has no middle, only endpoints. No matter how badly we wanted to, we can't go stand in the middle to keep people from being loyal to some other nation than Shireroth from plotting with each other. We can, however, be nice to them up to a certain point so that they feel that it is in their best interests to stay in this nation. If they don't, they will just emigrate and we'll be left with another meaningless block of land on the MCS map - Lord knows we have enough of those...Straylight votes NAY for psychological reasons.And Shirlan... just leave it to me, OK? I know what I'm doing... Mitä minä todella sanoin

(on shirlan) Fine... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.