Shireroth

DEATH TO THIS BILL! "Disclaimer: Whatever is in the above post is probably a result of my blind following of Kieran Bennett, because I have even less of a brain than Kieran. Don't even get me started on my lack of independent thought."

No, my good sir! May it live and prosper!What reason has it to die?Should it pass, we would have the benefit a duke with many years more experience than the current. The older Hyperborea would become a duchy, which is beneficial because it has a more developed culture which would help to foster the younger Elwynn. Hyperborea is also generally more active. Its value, both historical and present, warrants us to give it an elevated position within the nation. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

David, Why? Baroness of Lunaris in The Republic of ShirerothBaroness-Councilor of Tallandor-New Barbary in Treesia

Why, because he is Elwynnese, of course... Heil Loki!!!
Heil H'Graa!!!

That honestly isn't a very good reson.... If someone wanted to make Lunaris a Duchy and swap it with Goldshire I'd vote no. Then again I gess that's a bit diferent but you get my point..... Baroness of Lunaris in The Republic of ShirerothBaroness-Councilor of Tallandor-New Barbary in Treesia

It is possible it has something to do with Mari, who ahs been quite silent on the subject... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

Quote:That honestly isn't a very good reson.... If someone wanted to make Lunaris a Duchy and swap it with Goldshire I'd vote no. Then again I gess that's a bit diferent but you get my point..... You cannot just say that it's a bad reason because you have another reason, - especially considering the fact that you didn't even give us your reason.Now, I'm not saying that being Elwynnese is the only reason anyone can vote against it, I'm just saying that it is a valid reason to.See, call E being Elwynnese, and R the reasons to vote against this bill.E€R, therefore E->R, but R!->E and R!€E(where € means "element of" or "subset of", -> means "implies", and ! means "not necessarily")In other words, by saying that E€R, I am not restricting R to only E. You can still have your other reasons; be my guest. However, DNB's potential reason E, being an element of R, is a valid reason. That's all I was saying.Now, if you're going to argue against someone, at least put up an argument, rather than just denying that person his opinion. You have no right to tell off peoples' opinions without reason just because you don't like them, not here. This forum is not under your jurisdiction. If you were Prætor or Kaiser, then by all means, oppress the multitudes. But alas, you are not.*dances around impeccable logic*Edit: And you may have guessed by this that no, I don't get your point. Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)Edited by: Phoenix the Risen at: 12/22/03 1:21 am

nobody gets yours either, dude -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

I like american long grain R!€E best......anyway...being elwynise is one good reason, but also the fact that I used to fear Siskinds avatar, but now that he has a new one, i can go against him without fear.also, Siskind, by being old school, and big in with the upper levels of shirothian society, allready has loads of power anyway, and dosent need more. also, hypaborea has that locke bloke in it...and all I no about him is that ihatelocke1666 used to be the password to a secret area of puritania, so someone must have reason to not like him, and that his collegues name is banned from here.Quote: It is possible it has something to do with Mari, who ahs been quite silent on the subject...apart from being the dutchess, whats she got to do with it?*becomes suspicios* "Disclaimer: Whatever is in the above post is probably a result of my blind following of Kieran Bennett, because I have even less of a brain than Kieran. Don't even get me started on my lack of independent thought."

Phoenix, I was not arguing against him I simply wanted to give him a chance to express why I should vote against the bill. Nothing I said was ment as an atack or to belittle his opinion. As for your post I find it to be far to agressiv rood and defenciv. I take ofence to it and thus have nothing further to say about it. I will not argue with you I do not think that post is worth it.David, I hope I didn't insult you with my post and I hope you did not take it the rong way as Phoenix clearly did. If so I apologize. Baroness of Lunaris in The Republic of ShirerothBaroness-Councilor of Tallandor-New Barbary in Treesia

I do not feel offended "Disclaimer: Whatever is in the above post is probably a result of my blind following of Kieran Bennett, because I have even less of a brain than Kieran. Don't even get me started on my lack of independent thought."

((Sorry, I posted that last one under the wrong char))Quote:Nothing I said was ment as an atack or to belittle his opinion.Is that so? Then what about:Quote:That honestly isn't a very good reson.... Heil Loki!!!
Heil H'Graa!!!

Though I apreciate your loyalty to me, there is no need to defend me Draco "Disclaimer: Whatever is in the above post is probably a result of my blind following of Kieran Bennett, because I have even less of a brain than Kieran. Don't even get me started on my lack of independent thought."

Mari has little to do with this? She's the duchess, she has a lot to do with this! It was in reference to the fact that she got mad and all but left when erik said he was thinking about it...and this could be a blind loyalty issue... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

You mean..me testing her? Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

no...I mean david just saying vote nay because he blindly follows his duchess... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

oh.. well.. Who says I wasn't testing her? Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

Well, you did, in the long run. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

True... I wonder what I would do now if it HAD been a test... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

uh...there may have been a decree involved instead of this stupid bill..... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

This is true... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

I have not seen mari post anywhere few a few days....so she may have not been able to vote.. "Disclaimer: Whatever is in the above post is probably a result of my blind following of Kieran Bennett, because I have even less of a brain than Kieran. Don't even get me started on my lack of independent thought."

The bill was posted on 19 Dec. She posted last (as far as I can tell) on 20 december. As a noble, it is her responsibility to check the Landsraad for bills and the like. And with the mango hanging in front of the landsraad, she should know that there are new bills there without even having to go in. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

wasn't there some deal with her having to cut and paste text a longassed time ago?I mean, if so, maybe she's using a text-based browser, in which case she may not be able to even see the mangoes... Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

Quote:anyway...being elwynise is one good reason, but also the fact that I used to fear Siskinds avatar, but now that he has a new one, i can go against him without fear.TAKE THAT BACK OR I WILL HYPNOTIZE YOU WITH MY STARE OF DEATH! "I am a verb" - Buckminster FullerEdited by: Scott Siskind  at: 12/26/03 12:40 am

forgive me, lord and master Scott, Duke of Hypaborea, Kiaser of Shireroth, emporer of Micras! "Disclaimer: Whatever is in the above post is probably a result of my blind following of Kieran Bennett, because I have even less of a brain than Kieran. Don't even get me started on my lack of independent thought."

I never noticed that beard before.. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus TinenetuwarLet the fates burn!

Nor did I. Baroness of Lunaris in The Republic of ShirerothBaroness-Councilor of Tallandor-New Barbary in Treesia

nor did I... but I guess that's what happens when you're cut down to 75 pixels or whatever they limit avatars to here... Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

Okayokayokay, FOCUS!!Well, Mari's being given the rest of today to vote, or even to comment. Perhaps she has risen above us, and considers micronationalism a petty distraction. The question is not whether we like her, or whether she is a compotent Duchess, or whether we are being high-handed, but whether we really want someone who is not obsessed with micronationalism as the Duchess of Elwynn?We, the people of Elwynn, want a dedicated leader in charge of our Duchy. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus TinenetuwarLet the fates burn!