Shireroth

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Sounds kinda like a Barony issuing independent foreign policy...

Not very.It needs to stop.

it is ILLEGAL. Though we should proly make something in the DecreeBook or LawBook that specifically says "No subdivision may conduct ANY foreign affairs" E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

That's annoying. There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

The Duchy of Elwynn violates so many sovergnty issues it's not even funny. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

Agreed. Bill Dusch - Archon of Soloralism - Founder of TelikosCitizen of ShirerothBaron of AntyaProud to be Apollonianvar txtList = new Array()txtList[txtList.length]="'Whoa! You're in...college now? You got...older! I guess that's what happens when time passes, but still...' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'The Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle, by contrast states that before you get on a blimp, you can never be certain whether it's going to catch on fire or not' - Scott Siskind";txtList[txtList.length]="'We.....are.....not....FANTASY!>?!POE' - Scott Siskind, on hearing Bill Dusch say that Shireroth's theme is percieved to be Fiction-Fantasy based";txtList[txtList.length]="'me to. well almost, we have to worship the living god, Bill3000.' - Hubert";txtList[txtList.length]="'Y'know what? I am never going to get out of micronations. I think I need to be assassinated or something.' - Jason Steffke";txtList[txtList.length]="'Bill, you are STILL young and stupid.' - Jason Steffke, Control of Destiny 1";txtList[txtList.length]="'I think we've gotta promote you. You now have slightly more diplomatic skills than a random rock.' - Sirithil nos Feanor, to Bill Dusch";txtList[txtList.length]="'Wow. I'm this close to admitting you're no longer young and stupid.' - Scott Siskind, to Bill";txtList[txtList.length]="'ow! I've been thrwappen! Now I have a sudden urge to enter politics...' - Gryphon the Pure, after being hit by a shard of Pure Mischief";txtList[txtList.length]="'No, you've changed too, Bill. Instead of being the fragmented, annoying and immature 16-year-old, you've graduated to being a well-spoken, annoying and immature 19-year-old. Congratulations.' - Ryan Caruso"; j=parseInt(Math.random()*txtList.length);j=(isNaN(j))?0:j;document.write(txtList[j]);

Now, Erik, what kind of stuff do we do that is violating Shirerithian law? Richard LyonYansha Elaer Kyon gef ShanPernem kahn gef kuymal per varga stiPernem kahn gef varga per kuymal sti

Asside from the currency issue (which IS negotiable...), I think you just generally made him mad by adopting Babkha's laws. There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

You may be annoyed, but do not accuse us, Erik, for violating laws.On the currency/economics thing - NOTHING was finalized. We discussed and explored possibilities.Babkhan law:Several reasons for that. For a long time Ardashir ruled Elwynn, and Ardashir brought with him the Babkhan concept of rule. Merely codifying the laws. Secondly, Babkhan law is the most developed of all systems of law of the microworld. And it's not as if I had Ardashir become judge.And regards to Matthew Basil's comments: They were probably done out of not knowing what laws there are in regards to a subdivision's powers when it comes to foreign affairs. The laws of Shireroth do actually state that a subdivision may not conduct "significant" foreign affairs. And personally I feel that the comments of Mr Basil were not significant.SO again, do not accuse Elwynn for violating the sovereignty of this Empire. We are Shirerithians but if you start seeing us as non-Shirerithians, then non-Shirerithians we will become.

Oh dear goodness, remove that last sentance please or this will escalate! There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

Only if Erik or Bill go off on one... yeah this will probably escalate, but its a valid point he has made, constantly having a go at him is not endearing the rest of Shireroth to the people of Elwynn.

Quote:Oh dear goodness, remove that last sentance please or this will escalate! Why should I? I am tired of constantly being told how disloyal the population of ELwynn is, how bad I am to let them be members of the Elwynnese community, how bad this and that is...People tell me that they are "worried" about Elwynn's "power" and that I "ought" to do something about that "power" because that is not good.Please, treat us with some respect Edited by: RicLyon at: 12/11/05 12:45

He has a point. There are no flowers, no not this time. There will be no angels gracing the lines, just these stark words I find.

So you would prove those that accuse you of being disloyal right by being disloyal? I'd think you'd want to prove them wrong. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

The point he's making is that the hostility towards Elwynn is in danger of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

....right...The babkhan thing is that you submit to the rulings of Babkhan courts, thus you put yourself under their legal jurisdication. That is a problem. rather large one, as Babkhan precedents and such have no validity in this nation. E. Metzler (UEC)Count of Monty CriscoFounder of the MCS"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSJoin Shireroth

I have full faith in Elwynn and it's population, as they are loyal Shirithian citizens who are simply experimenting within their boundaries (and sometimes exceeding them).I will point out that the fact that most of Elwynn consists of dual citizens--dual citizenship having always been looked down upon within Shireroth--which causes a good deal of alarm.However, I have seen no indication that Elwynn is any more or any less loyal than the rest of the Shirithian populous--in fact, Ric and I have discussed the matter between ourselves. I would even go so far as to say that Ric has served Shireroth in a far greater capacity than some other non-dual-citizens of late.I would also care to point out that my recent restrictions on Elwynnese affairs--that of first economy and second of foreign affairs--do not demarcate a prejudice I have against the Elwynnese population; rather, simply that Elwynn is trying things that other subdivisions are not, and some of those things are not wholly approporiate for a subdivision to perform on it's own or are actions which are granted to the Imperial Throne itself.The recent interchange between Elwynn and Antya--specifically, between Oz and Bill--is shameful on both parties counts, and should be forgotten. We are one nation: united in our actions, in our victories and our defeats. Let us not let petty infighting destroy what we have worked so hard to create. By my hand,Her Niftiness, The Resurrector: Semisa, First of the Name, Kaiseress of Shireroth, Protector of Comstokia, Overlord of the Duchies of Naudia'Diva, Elwynn, and Kildare, Thane of the Shirelands, Keeper of the Apollo Legacy, Grand Master of the Orders of the Dragon, Griffin, Phoenix, and Chimera, Wielder of Vengeance, Bearer of the Celestial Barrier, Countess of Shirekeep, Knight of the Dragon, Arsonirathius of Delvenus, Knight Companion of the Most Magnificent Imperial Order of the Sovereign Viking Crown, Princess of Hvalafell, Priestess of Cedrism, and Lady of the Golden Mango Throne.

.......this is what happens when I let unimportant things like essays have priority over my job here, clearly. Eoinsy