Shireroth

The forum would seem to suggest that Hyperborea is now a Duchy, but I can't find any post saying when that happened. Can someone clue me in?

Clearly a coup, or at the very least a unilateral decleration...

Maybe the Landsraad finally passed the bill? I never aproved it.... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

So...if you know nothing about it...and I know nothing about it...hmm...that's weird...must be A Sign From The Gods.

well, erik said that if we brought the matter to him, he would call it passed, and since YEA did have a majority over the other choices, Zirandorthel decided to spare us all the trouble of a second vote and telling the kaiser and stuff... so now Scott is a Duke and Mari is a Baroness... not much else new... but now we need to know how you'll be dividing up your votes... Phoenix the Risen - Dutchess of Kildare - Political Nuisance but at least She gets the job done. - Official Genkher of Gryphon Avocatio's Cool Short Sig and Gryphon the Pure's Awesome Tables! - COME BACK, STEVE!!! -"To quote a former Kaiser.... 'Shireroth doesn't give up land....'" ~UEC (Quoting Kaiser Letifer I), In response to claims on the Raynor Isles"To paraphrase a former Kaiser: 'Here! Take Amity for free! And that other half of Mar Sara too!'" ~SaiKar LumEth, (Paraphrasing Kaiser Mog I) In response to UEC"To paraphrase a former angry mob "DOWN WITH THE EVIL LAND-GIVING AWAY KAISER! REVOLT! REBELLION! CIVIL WAR!" ~Scott Siskind, (paraphrasing the Letifer Rebellion group) In response to SaiKar LumEth"I HEARBY QUESTION THE KAISERESS AUTHORITY!" ~Gryphon Avocado (Switching Day)

Oh, I just assumed that that was Erik's decision, and put it in the Passed Bills archive. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus TinenetuwarLet the fates burn!

I can't order the Landsraad to Pass certain things... I would have had to decree it.. (which would require fun wording...) I was mostly just saying what WOULD happen if it went to me.. but it is done... So.. no point worrying about it...... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

Wow...how interesting...the landsraad is doing things without being told to...then again, we thought we were :P -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar.

PEople keep on thinking I'm giving order when I'm not..hehe... proly oughta figure that out... Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

Would this be people, or me? Usually I just do it because it's the simplest and most quasi-legal way to get things done with the minimum of fuss. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus TinenetuwarLet the fates burn!

People... I know Joseph has done it too.. but I can't complain... guess it means people are loyal to the throne... so...yay us? Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

I suppose it is a good thing...but it kinda takes the fun out of us making up our own minds every once in a while...Of course, under the preceding logic, we should presume that anything that the Kaiser votes Nay to in the Landsraad ought to automatically fail, and the opposite should he vote Yea. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

The general consensus was that we would ask the Kaiser's opinion, and he said that if it was his opinion, then it would pass. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus TinenetuwarLet the fates burn!

But is the Kaiser's opinion law? That would create some interesting issues... -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

No, in this case, the Landsraad's opinion was law, as is usual. This was the Kaiser's opinion on whether the Landsraad's vote of 16 Aye and 14 Nay could be construed as a victory for Aye. He said something to the order of "If it was up to me, it would pass" so I passed it. I am ever a loyal servant, and had no ulterior motive whatsoever. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

He said if it were up to him. That suggests he was leaving the decision up to somebody else, presumably you. Thus you decided, believing yourself to be subjected to an order. Generally, Erik allows the Landsraad to do what it wills with little interference. Commanding us how to vote seems illogical as it would defeat the purpose of the Landsraad. Unless we really screw up (which we've done before), i wouldn't expect erik to command us to do anything. It may be his opinion, but it is not law (for he can vote nay, but a bill may still make it to law). -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

When voting..isnt the Kaiser considered a noble?...when voting in the Landsraad isnt Erik voting as the Duke of Brookshire...not as the Kaiser? And if so, doesnt that mean his opinion is just that, an opinion, just like all other nobles who vote? The Through-Marriage-Noble-Of- BrookshireEdited by: Kaiseress Alexia Mors III at: 1/10/04 5:17 pm

Yes....technically.... Jadie of GoldshireCarry on with your lives people...nothing to see here.

that is how I believe it works. How it's always worked. -Gryphon Avocatio- Lord Governor and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Research and Education, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - SAVE THE KIWI!! - Lover of Llamas Give me your child, and by the age of five, I can make him a priest or a thief or a scholar. - SCOTT: You know, I always joke about how nothing will ever be able to get me out of micronations...but...I think if my mother got into micronations that would get me out in a hurry. - GUILDENSTERN:We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered.

Okay, so is there any problem? Am I allowed, as Prætor, to seek advice from the Kaiser, whom I after all represent in the Landsraad, as he is only allowed to participate in his role as Duke of Brookshire? Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

Don't worry.. all is bien...hehehe Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

Excellent, then it's all over and done with, and no-one is to blame for anything. Muahahaha-ahem. Back to work I go, completly unbiased Prætor, yes indeedy. Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras

Accually.. you represent the Landsraad in the Landsraad..(You also unofficially represent non-nobles...) and out.. I am Duke. but I can be Kaiser in the Landsraad too.... I can use my Kaiserly Veto power when I feel a bill threatens the supremecy of the throne, the ideals of the nation.. or is just REALLLLY bad.. Mortis BrookshireKaiser of Shireroth

*looks, just this once, at the Chicken Act, various Elf-Snuggling Acts, etc. etc.*That latter duty is a new role, is it? Sun Bless, Earth KeepZirandorthel I of TreesiaThe Golden DarknessNiirus Tinenetuwar, Tivitha e'Taras