Political philosophy of Antica

[Elliot Markham]

Please vote which political philosophy you think best describes Antica's. I am more inclined to think that it is Stalinism these days.

[Maksym Hadjimehmetov]

Ummm... neither?

[Elliot Markham]

I cannot really think of any other options, Maksym. However, if you can think of some, list them and they may be put into the poll. I had thought about NAZIsm as an option, but then I could not detect any antisemitism or anti-communism. Anti-fascism, yes: http://nafticon.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2599 . (Too bad Ryan doesn't realize how democratic and free Shireroth is.)

[Malliki Tosha]

If you weren't so paranoid, you wouldn't be here bawwwing about Antica.

[Maksym Hadjimehmetov]

So because someone in Antica has expressed a dislike for Communism, that makes Antica fascist?
I suggest you read up on Reductio ad Hitlerum.

lol

[Elliot Markham]

I agree, Maksym. I don't know why those who voted for fascist currently seem to be in the majority. Clearly a lot of Anticans take leftist positions and their internal politics more resembles Stalinism.

[Aster]

...Elliot, this isn't up for debate. Antica is not Stalinist. It has very few elements that can even be considered Marxist, let alone Stalinist.

[Elliot Markham]

Stalinist attributes of Antica

- The legally unauthorized invasion and takeover of Samudra, one of its own provinces, by neighboring provinces, for no other reason than absolutist control by the Antican central government. The closest historical parallel I believe is the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 by the neighboring Eastern Bloc nations.

In 1968, in response to a brief period of liberalization, five Eastern Bloc countries invaded Czechoslovakia. Soviet tanks rolled into Prague on August 21, 1968.[9] Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev viewed this intervention as vital to the preservation of the Soviet, socialist system and vowed to intervene in any state that sought to replace Marxism-Leninism with capitalism.[10] In 1969, Czechoslovakia was turned into a federation of the Czech Socialist Republic and Slovak Socialist Republic. Under the federation, social and economic inequities between the Czech and Slovak halves of the state were largely eliminated. A number of ministries, such as education, were formally transferred to the two republics. However, the centralised political control by the Communist Party severely limited the effects of federalisation.

- The orchestrated deception of a citizen (See the 1930s purges.)
- Campaigns to annex other nations under the guise of liberation (See the campaigns in Southeast Asia.)
- Meddling in Shirerithian affairs (See proxy wars.)
- Breaking alliances, such as with Shireroth and Ashkenatza (See the Stalin-Hitler Pact)
- Mass propaganda (See the entirety of USSR history)
- Rubber stamp legislative and judicial branches (See much of USSR history; the Party elite truly control all affairs)
- Slander and defamation of political non-elites (See the 1930s purges.)

All there needs to be is a Great Purge, in which citizens are forcibly exiled, and then the transformation would be complete. I suppose that would be the final criterion to me to make Antica Stalinist, whereas right now I would say that it is largely Marxist. This bears out in many Anticans' real life political views as well, so it is easy to see from where they are drawing inspiration.

Actually a Marxist micro-nation is nothing new, and I believe Antica has every right to form one. However that is not what I signed up for when I became a citizen.

[Malliki Tosha]

You seriously are a sad little deranged individual, you have to know that?

The 'invasion' of Samudra was made by forum posts, not by blocking you or not allowing you to post. The Antican central government should have absolute control, since Samudra is a province, not a state.

The orchestrated deception of you was just for laughs, since you are such a paranoid little person. Had you not been, and if you didn't have a pole up your ass, you would have just laughed it off.

I don't know what campaign you're talking about, but if you mean Montauk, we are trying to start a recreational war.

I have no idea in what way we tried to meddle in Shirerithian affairs.

We didn't break any alliances. The treaty with Shireroth was honored by not recognizing the secessions of the Laqi and Elwynn. In order to do that we had to refuse to enter into a hasty and completely unnecessary declaration of war on Shireroth by Ashkenatza. An alliance implies that you liaison before you do something, not after.

Mass propaganda?

Rubber stamp legislative and judicial branches? First of all, Antica does not have 'branches' of government, since all institutions of the state are subordinate to the Assembly. The Assembly can, per definition, not be a 'rubber stamp' since we use direct democracy.

The last point is just laughable.

[Elliot Markham]

The Antican central government should have absolute control, since Samudra is a province, not a state.

That is your opinion, which I am sure the Antican Cabinet is ecstatic to hear. However, when I was a citizen of Antica, that's not what the law said. The Antican Constitution specifically said that the citizens of a region may vote to incorporate as a province and have their own governments.

The orchestrated deception of you was just for laughs, since you are such a paranoid little person. Had you not been, and if you didn't have a pole up your ass, you would have just laughed it off.

I did eventually come to laugh off Shireroth's role in the deception, and even your role, Malliki, because you were a Shirerithian citizen at the time and not an Antican citizen. However I remain completely against the micro-nation of which I am a citizen carrying on sophisticated deception campaigns on me or any of its other own citizens. By doing that, Antica showed too much disregard for the institution of citizenship, hence my constant criticism of Antica's leadership for its role in the deception.

I don't know what campaign you're talking about, but if you mean Montauk, we are trying to start a recreational war.

I'll wait and see. A sanctioned recreational war would be fine.

I have no idea in what way we tried to meddle in Shirerithian affairs.

By supporting Straylight in its attempts to break away from Shireroth.

We didn't break any alliances. The treaty with Shireroth was honored by not recognizing the secessions of the Laqi and Elwynn. In order to do that we had to refuse to enter into a hasty and completely unnecessary declaration of war on Shireroth by Ashkenatza. An alliance implies that you liaison before you do something, not after.

Next Antica should be more careful about what it signs.

Mass propaganda?

The emoticons, the holidays, the roundtables, etc. It's not that Antica has those things, its their militaristic tone, which never seems to let up.

Rubber stamp legislative and judicial branches? First of all, Antica does not have 'branches' of government, since all institutions of the state are subordinate to the Assembly. The Assembly can, per definition, not be a 'rubber stamp' since we use direct democracy.

Antica used to have separate branches of government. The Assembly was the legislative branch. The Inquisitor was the judicial branch. The Archon and Speaker shared the responsibilities of the executive branch. Sadly, this is no longer the case. Now, the Speaker can delay and ignore legislation as he sees fit, and Antican citizens support this. Braden Indianensis recently said that delaying and ignoring the parliamentary rules is acceptable because the Speaker is an inherently political position.

The last point is just laughable.

Slander and defamation of political non-elites occurred with Octavius' constant claim that the only reason I was suspicious of Shireroth's activities was because I somehow wanted to gain the Antican Cabinet's favor so as to get into the Antican Cabinet. This claim is incorrect; I was only concerned about Antica as a patriotic citizen at the time. Many other claims made were false, including the claim that I was behind Operation Light Blue Octopus. While many were involved in the operation, I doubt Guido over at Micras was when he first heard that claim, or Bjorn or Cairney or others.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Why isn't there a "banana" option? If ever a poll needed a "banana" option, it was this one.

[Elliot Markham]

Somebody changed the poll options. Change them back. "The light of democracy and freedom!!!" is currently in the lead and everyone in Shireroth knows Antica is exactly the opposite of that.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Why isn't there a "banana" option? If ever a poll needed a "banana" option, it was this one.

The post editing screen said that if you add or remove options, all votes are invalidated. Three people had already gone through the trouble of voting and I didn't want to destroy their work

[Elliot Markham]

Oh, Ari changed the poll. That explains it, since he's Antican.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Ari: ಠ_ಠ at seriously editing people's posts without revealing you're doing so, especially now that you're no longer a Shirerithian. I'm not going to get all serious about it this time, but do it again and I will.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Son, I was made moderator of the off-topic forum before even the Republic of Antica was founded. This land is my land .

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Yeah, and I'm board administrator and used to be acting MiniInt, but that doesn't mean I should go around editing Kaiserial decrees to read something different just because I can.

[Icebreaker]

PREEEEETTY SURE HE CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS

[Ari Rahikkala]

OK, terrible argument, yeah. Anyways!!! I've been editing posts in the OT and in Straylight for years whenever I saw a good chance to make them more, er, interesting. I really do consider them to be "my land" in a way that's different from the other forums. It's too bad you didn't notice until now, you could have enjoyed some of the edits at the time

[AryezturMejorkhor]

Antica has been in fact slowly sliding from liberalism to some sort of collective, mass-based attitude, but I wouldn't characterize it as Stalinist because that implies one leader controlling everyone and everyone else in fear of that one leader. However that need not necessarily be a bad thing in itself as smaller countries tend to be more free and liberal but when they expand into empires, more collective action is needed.

[Maksym Hadjimehmetov]

I agree, Maksym. I don't know why those who voted for fascist currently seem to be in the majority. Clearly a lot of Anticans take leftist positions and their internal politics more resembles Stalinism.

...I wasn't agreeing with you...

Markham, I'd debate this with you for my own amusement until the ends of time but this debate is so ridiculous all I can say is

[Harvey Steffke]

Antica has a lot of things to learn about being the light of democracy and freedom. The sheer fact that they've got random people bitching about the government in another country is a sign that something weird is up.

[AryezturMejorkhor]

BUT, Antican political life is still more free, benevolent, and less stressful than that of Shireroth's.
Nonetheless, I'm starting to get tired of micronations- same shit again and again.

[Ari Rahikkala]

If I were to develop a code to communicate information about who's been bitching about Antica recently, the first bit would be set iff it were Elliot.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

SHINE's secret strategy of exporting as many Shirerithians there as possible until they inherit our problems is finally paying off!

[Chrimigules]

[Harvey Steffke]

[Malliki Tosha]

Yeah, and I'm board administrator and used to be acting MiniInt, but that doesn't mean I should go around editing Kaiserial decrees to read something different just because I can.

You are, as usual, absolutely right. It's rude to edit other people's posts without making it clear that they're edited, regardless of the forum or the importance of the post involved.

[Elliot Markham]

[Malliki Tosha]

Jeremy, you really are a retard.