Shireroth

Kalir/Elwynn and Kildare what would you consider the core lands of what used to be those Duchies. Like the 4-5 main Counties, continuous lands. Preferably mainland, not islands and stuff.

A list would be nice. A map even better.

I would consider all of Shireroth's current land on Apollonia to be indisputably Kildarian, with the exception of Hawshire (see below).

If I were to judge on the basis of history (ie what's historically been Kildarian and had the most distinctively Kildarian development), and had to pick a couple, I would say (in this order):

Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Melangia
Audentior
Automatica

If I were to judge on the basis of me and Jonas being the only surviving citizens, and what's important to us, I'd say:
Blackrock
Melangia
Audentior
Old Hallucination
Raynor Isles
Gong Li
Kitanus Fields
Nova Dalmacija
Norfolk
Halluci Nua
Automatica
New Jasonia
Illumination
with Vervollkommnung, Schlangen, Lesser Attera and Demesos coming in about equal last. Though I'd have to consult more with Jonas about the exact ordering of that list.

Hawshire is obviously a special case by treaty, tied to William Payne. And the Ocean Palace is obviously a special case by right of sheer awesomeness and archaeological effort, tied to Jonas and I.

Does that go some way to answering your question?

Right.. from the Short list...

Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Audentior
Automatica

Megalania was removed due to distance.

I'm talking CORE lands, mainland. I'm not saying anything about you might have to give it up..etc. I'm just asking.. if you had to pick 5 counties that would make up the "homeland" which they would be. Can you reduce the short list by one more?

Ok, so you're not thinking which ones we actually like or have developed, just which ones are considered the "homeland" of Kildare and are all near eachother?

In that case, you have two "core" groupings to consider - the strongly Audente one (Blackrock, Lesser Attera, Automatica, Demesos, New Jasonia, Audentior etc), and the strongly Kildari one (Nova Dalmacija, Kitanus Fields, Old Hallucination, Halluci Nua). Blackrock fits into both lists because it's both an Audente province and the seat of Dutchal power for as long as I can remember.

With your list, I would remove Automatica, leaving you with:
Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Audentior

Though Audentior is not connected with the other block, it's the seat of Apollo City, and includes Mons Clistoro (where the Dutches are now crowned) and the ASTEX (which I will make a post about when I find the subforum again).

But, and I must stress, this list ignores the preferences of Jonas or I, who are the only two reasonably active Kildarians and likely to be the only two reasonably active Kildarians into the future. It's just from as best I can judge of the time before Jonas and I were Kildarians.

Don't worry about it.

I can see just one little error in what Andreas is saying here: Mons Clistiro is part of New Jasonia. But, I would like to request a merger of the county of New Jasonia with (Greater) Audentior. That way I'm sure that our local wine AND the coronation city is in safe, Kildarian hands.

Kildari never had one core land, as our feudal traditions don't allow it: the power was divided among the several counties. The Dutch resided in Blackrock City, while the Seanad was moved to Apollo City (by Shyriath, if I remember it right). And Mons Clistiro became the coronation city. The Ocean Palace is an important military stronghold.

With your list, I would remove Automatica, leaving you with:
Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Audentior

Yeah... that would do it. We could even merge Automatica with Greater Audentior (just like I wanted to do with New Jasonia).

I suppose that the Elwynnese core lands are Alalehzamin, Eliria-Utasia and Araxion. They are contiguous, lie between the Elwynn rivers and have historically much development. However, I would like to add Hyperborea to the list, but it's probably too far away

I'm sure that Hyperborea can be added. That leaves one county.

Honestly, I'd not be inclined to merge counties. If anything, a few need to be broken up.

Never in the history of Shireroth have all the counties been filled, ever. Why split them up even more?

We do have a lot of counties.

I say we merge some.

My actual point was that Kildare has some really large counties compared to other places. I have no plan to edit the counties. Nor would I support such a plan.

Kaiser Mors VI wrote:My actual point was that Kildare has some really large counties compared to other places. I have no plan to edit the counties. Nor would I support such a plan.

You mean Nova Dalmacija? And maybe Blackrock? Lady Carol was a strong supporter of Nova Dalmacija being one county, and since it was hers, we have always left it as such.

On the flip side, we did split of Halluci Nua from Lesser Attera; and I think we split off Demesos from some other land. If that knowledge helps your thinking.

*shrug* Like I said. Not planning to change the borders.

Andreas the Wise wrote: You mean Nova Dalmacija? And maybe Blackrock? Lady Carol was a strong supporter of Nova Dalmacija being one county, and since it was hers, we have always left it as such.

On the flip side, we did split of Halluci Nua from Lesser Attera; and I think we split off Demesos from some other land. If that knowledge helps your thinking.

New Jasonia, Demesos and Automatica was one county, if I'm not mistaking (or it was just New Jasonia and Demesos emerging). We changed it to get some more Antyan (read: Apollo) counties.

So...

Kildare:
Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Audentior

Kalir:
Alalehzamin
Eliria-Utasia and Araxion
Hyperborea

Kalir's list seems a bit short.... Another perhaps?

Cape Farewell?

Kildare:
Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Audentior

Kalir:
Alalehzamin
Eliria-Utasia
Araxion
Hyperborea
Cape Farewell.

Right. Kildare have any comments.

That's the list we settled on with the emphasis on being close to eachother.

Crap, that's right.. you had two lists. Well, for my reasons, continuous is kinda important.

Oh, wait a minute. Cape Farewell isn't contiguous with the rest of Kalir then... So I say Wintergleam instead

Kildare:
Old Hallucination
Kitanus Fields
Blackrock
Nova Dalmacija
Audentior

Kalir:
Alalehzamin
Eliria-Utasia
Araxion
Hyperborea
Wintergleam

What about Yardis house then?

*shrug* Nothing? I suppose maybe Yardistan, So-Sara, Mirioth and Amity, Benacia, Florencia.

I'm glad I'm included.

Yardis is awkward due to it's accreted nature.

Lakhesis - Yardistan - MASS?

Lakhesis could be linked up with some of the old Brookshire lands.

Lakhesis borders the sea and should of course be included.