Shireroth

By the will of the great sheep and the people of Shireroth,

In light of the vote that has recently been passed in the Landsraad and the absence of the Kaiser, I herby appoint myself Imperial Steward of Shireroth until either approved or revoked by his niftiness the current Kaiser when he returns.

Note: Please ignore just how circular the legality backing this decree truly is...

So it is written so shall it be done.
By the hand of,

Arbiter! Bring the [illegal] stamp! We got another one!

This should be #362, by the way/

You can't decree yourself steward...

"Steward decrees self Steward!"

Well actually if I may draw your attention to the Imperial Charter:

Section E:
b) A steward shall be appointed by the Kaiser or Landsraad should the Kaiser take temporary leave of zir throne.

The Landsraad vote can make you Steward, but you can't decree yourself Steward. Observe:

Leo(NotSteward) Does not have the power to make decrees
Leo(Steward) Does have that power

Therefore Leo(NotSteward) cannot make a decree even if that decree would make him Leo(Steward) because only Leo(Steward) can make decrees at all.

However,

[to keep with your method]
Leo(NotSteward) is elected to Sort of Stewardship by Landsraad. However there is no Imperial Decree legalizing this action so Leo(Steward by Charter and not by Decree) Decrees it to be so!

Thats how I see it at least.

Leo(NotSteward) can become Leo(Steward) without an Imperial decree legalising his appointment. I think the only other way is through election by the Landsraad.

Ah well I was under the impression that an Imperial Decree was required to make it final. Sorry if I was wrong.

Anyways, Back to the party!

County MASS does not recognize Leo as Steward! REBELLION!

Let me offer some legal clarification:

The Landsraad may appoint a steward (without an imperial decree) should the Kaiser take a leave of absence. He has not done so (officially). Therefore, the Landsraad still requires Imperial confirmation before Leo can be Steward (officially). However, I see no reason for His Niftiness to deny the Landsraad vote, and so I have no problem with Leo taking over while His Niftiness is on unannounced leave. But yes, you can't declare yourself Steward. I think Andreas may have been attempting to be humourous, and failed.

All hail Steward Leo!

For this is leghality of a sort.

Should the Kaiser not return, consider the appointment ratified by Loki IV.

Just in case.

(Of course, that would make him Steward and Anti-Steward at the same time.)

What?

(falls into shallow shadow pit)

I will have to disagree with you on that point Allot. The way that the section of the Charter reads "A steward shall be appointed by the Kaiser or Landsraad should the Kaiser take temporary leave of zir throne." does not require the Kaiser to announce his absence (it doesn't even say leave of absence) but merely comes into action should he be away for a extended period of time. My appointment is therefor perfectly legal by the Imperial charter and all subsequent forms of law. I just formalized it

I'm sure the Imperial Judex would be pleased to have your custom chaps.

FOUR LEGS GOOD. TWO LEGS BAAAAAAD.

FOUR LEGS GOOD. TWO LEGS BAAAAAAD.

FOUR LEGS GOOD. TWO LEGS BAAAAAAD.

To the Judex!

Allot wrote:Let me offer some legal clarification:

The Landsraad may appoint a steward (without an imperial decree) should the Kaiser take a leave of absence. He has not done so (officially). Therefore, the Landsraad still requires Imperial confirmation before Leo can be Steward (officially). However, I see no reason for His Niftiness to deny the Landsraad vote, and so I have no problem with Leo taking over while His Niftiness is on unannounced leave. But yes, you can't declare yourself Steward. I think Andreas may have been attempting to be humourous, and failed.

The Kaiser did give the Landsraad leave to elect a steward.
http://shireroth.kuroshiro.net/forum/vi ... 93&start=0

Well, if you interpret "election" to mean "appoint", then....grumble grumble grumble Fine.

Do I need to step in here or has this problem resolved itself?

S'all good my friend.

*smacks Allot on head as he tries to protest*

Okay good, then I can continue to ignore this completely illegal decree...

Oh, make that illegal AND unnecessary...

Oh, make that illegal AND unnecessary...

MOOT!

Me wonders what powers the Ruling Steward has vis-a-vis the Arbiter?

MWAHAHA!!

Surprisingly not much! Something to do with not destroying all of Shireroth and balancing factor or the like.

There is a slight difference between a Ruling Steward (which we hope we'll never have again since it's so untidy) and a Steward.

Actually could you explain that to me? I'm a bit fuzzy on the whole proceedings governing the position of Steward/Ruling Steward.

A Steward is subordinate to the Kaiser, just like the Steward of Elwynn. A Ruling Steward is appointed in the event that there is no heir to the Mango Throne, so the Steward rules like the Kaiser until a Kaiser can be found.

What the Death of Rats said.

A Rulling Steward has all of the power and authority of a Kaiser. He is restrained more by custom and fear of the succeeding Kaiser-to-come than by law.

Ruling Stewards have been crucial to Shireroth. Steward Corey, Steward Celestius and of course Steward Nikkolo I of Oustfest fame have been as important to our history as any Kaiser.

Rule with Justice, Steward Leo, and history will group you with them in fame and honor!

I agree that they have been important, but the Ruling Stewardship is an unwanted anomaly. But the issue is rather moot, since Leo is not a Ruling Steward.

A - The Kaiser is missing.

B - Leo is Steward.

C - Therefore, unless Erasmas is found, Leo Rules as Steward.

Admittedly, it's a clumbsy solution, but it is backed by law, history and custom.

All Hail LEO, Ruler of Shireroth!