Shireroth

(bangs gavel)

Excellent. My proposition:

That the baronies be as follows:

That Kai-Raikoth be restored with Scott as Baron, with Hyperborea, Cimmeria and Bjorngard as Counties.
That Elira remain a Barony with Loki as Baron and Duke, and Elira/Utasia and Alalehzamin as Counties.
That Iserdia remain a Barony with Nathan as Baron, and Araxion, Cape Farewell, and Smjörkýr as Counties.
That Nordland remain a Barony with Leo as Baron, and Wintergleam, Agnesia and Ilumination as Counties.

In effect, a reversal of Duke Iskander's dismantling of Elwynn.

Excellent.

As Baron and count, I have no objection.

Further Discusion?

I agree with this distribution and as Baron of Nordland I vote AYE.

None wants to make any changes to my proposition? I demand that I not be responsible for the framework of Elwynn! Someone change something!

[Furthermore, for the purpose of this council, I move that all Barons past and present (Scott, Rai, Leo, Iskander, Jacobus, Me, Nathan) vote on this. Then the new Barons will take over.]

Esteemed nobles of the council,

Please note that this vote will pass with a 3/4 majority. But I will refrain from passing this bill until all parties are satisfied as this does regard each citizen of Elwynn. Also I urge Counts to voice their opinion as well as this will probably be the last change in territory for a while. As Ari has yet to return and to avoid unnecessary confusion let us assume that none of Iskander's changes will be implemented and work with the finalized decree once this Council is adjourned.

Note on voting nobility,
While Allot's idea is a reasonable one, Iskander is on an LOA and probably wont vote. I have no problem with this but I do wish to keep this sitting short and to the point. As such, unless someone has a valid opposing point, the following members of the Council have a right to vote:
Allot, Scott, Nathan, Rai, Leo, Jacobus (and Iskander should he wish to show himself)

Therefore you assume that the voting nobles are you, Scott, Nathan, and Jacobus? Even after Loki decreed that all counts and nobles would be members of the council?

LIES.

I vote AYE.

I am slightly confused Allot. Either I am reading your post out of context or the Sheep have made you loose your marbles. I do believe that I was agreeing with you that the past and present Barons vote on the matter. However if you are questioning a Count's right to vote I do believe that hasn't changed. If you refer to the Duke's words then (if I may be so presumptuous) I believe he was merely clarifying the position of the Count in this Council as opposed to granting them a right to vote. If I am incorrect then please do correct me.

Current vote tally is at 3/6 AYE.

I decreed that all land owners and dispossesed landowners may be heard.

What I'm after is consensus.

I demand that I not be responsible for the framework of Elwynn!

Don't worry, you're not. The Council and the Duke are responsible. You just had a rerally good idea.

Jacobus Loki, Dux

Then my apologies my Grace. But am I correct to assume that following this Council only Baron's will vote?

After this Council, rules revert to ancient usage. I just want everyone who has a claim to be able to voice it.

Honourable nobles of Elwynn!

The only problem that may arise from the idea put forth by the delegate from Araxion is that there are few counties left in Elwynn without counts. If we have no counties to grant our newcomers, how do we get them here?

A very good point, but that can be left to the future. It is hoped that this council will heal the old wounds.

Besides aren't there other levels that can be used? Bailiwicks, Thanedoms, Free Cities, etc?

An interesting point. I believe that right now we have 2 free counties? Personally what would make the most sense is that as soon as we have no more counties that Duke then either create one more county per Barony or an entirely new Barony. but I think it would be prudent to avoid having lots of empty spots or we end up with the current situation of Nordland which has absolutely no history to speak of due to lack of inhabitation. This doesn't in any way mean I oppose your suggestion, merely that I think we should approach it a different time.

Gentlemen --

Yes of course - there are many ways we can solve that problem (if it arises) in the future. I was just making the Council aware of it.

Good thinking!

In the entire history of Shireroth, I don't think an entire Duchy's Counties have been filled before, except maybe that one time in Yardistan with all those new girls.

If we do get more than two more people, we should probably rest on our laurels and let immigrants go to other parts of Shireroth, since (for example) Brookshire has ~15 counties and only ~5 citizens right now. There's a tradition that when one Duchy gets too powerful, they redirect new citizens go to their less lucky neighbors.

There's also the matter of Hesam, who just joined. I'm willing to give him one of my two free counties in Kai-Raikoth if he wants it, but he might prefer to be in Alalehzamin with the Khan. If the second is true, the Khan might want to consider splitting Alalehzamin into two counties.

agree @ scott

There's also the matter of Hesam, who just joined. I'm willing to give him one of my two free counties in Kai-Raikoth if he wants it, but he might prefer to be in Alalehzamin with the Khan. If the second is true, the Khan might want to consider splitting Alalehzamin into two counties.

Would it help if we had a census of feudal holdings? I'm sure it would benefit his Grace to learn who all his tenants and vassals are. As for Hesam, well he can be made Earl and appointed to the Bailiwick of Islus.

Here is a Ducal Census, prior to any of Duke Iskander's territorial changes. That means that the appointments are still valid, but the dismantling was NOT taken into account. If that makes sense. Courtesy of me.

ELWYNN

---> Barony of Eliria (BARON: Duke Jacobus Loki)
--------> County of Eliria and Utasia (COUNT: Iskander Mirkdale)
--------> County of Alalehzamin (COUNT: Ardashir)

---> Barony of Iserdia (BARON: Nathan of Natopia)
--------> County of Araxion (COUNT: Andrew Allot)
--------> County of Cape Farewell (COUNT: Rai Avon-El)
--------> County of Smjörkýr (COUNT: Nathan of Natopia)

---> Barony of Kai-Raikoth (BARON: Scott of Hyperborea)
--------> County of Cimmeria (COUNT: None)
--------> County of Bjorngard (COUNT: None)
--------> County of Hyperborea (COUNT: DUH)

---> Barony of Nordland (BARON: Leo)
--------> County of Illumination (COUNT: Duke Jacobus Loki)
--------> County of Agnesia (COUNT: Cho'Gall)
--------> County of Wintergleam (COUNT: Leo)

I hope I didn't make any mistakes.

A quick Edit to your census Allot, The Khan of Vijayanagara is the Count of Illumination.

Also from the looks and sounds of it, there are no oppositions to your distribution of the counties and baronies but I'll wait a few more days for everyone to voice their opinions before I close the topic.

"Ardashir" and "The Khan of Vijayanagara" are the same person, who is Count of Alalehzamin. I think Duke Jacobus currently holds Illumination.

Thank you Scott I suppose I was confused when his plane landed in Illumination.

Times were chaotic.

I agree with the Good Steward. We can wait a day or so for fianl input, and then move forward.

Then can we take my "census" as being the proposed definition of land and positions?

Well, add another, mayhap...

Comes Harald, beloved of Elwynn for lo, these many years, who craves a boon, to wit:

Yes, I would. Since the County of Wintergleam is already taken, would it be possible that Avaldsnes be created a Free City with me as as Lord Mayor/Count?

What says the Council? As Baron, I think this is pretty neat. As Duke, I leave it to the Council.

While I have no quandaries with this request I hope that Harald will consider taking one of the two counties in Kai-Roth beforehand (we might fill up all the spots!). I welcome our brother home.

Your Grace, Councillors, while I am as happy to see Harald return as anyone, I was under the impression that he was no longer a citizen of Shireroth because of his obligations in Stormark. I am uncertain of the legality of granting him a County while that continues to hold true.

However, if that issue can be solved, I would be willing to cut a deal with Leo. I would lease the City of Wolfraven in Cimmeria to Nordland, and in exchange he would lease the City of Avaldnes to Kai-Raikoth. Then I would make Harald Count of Cimmeria including Avaldnes.

This sounds more then reasonable to me. That is of course if Harald is allowed to come back.