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Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:23 am
by Scott of Hyperborea
Foreigners should refer their concerns about legislation to their official representatives to present to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in an appropriate fashion. In my opinion the implied benefits of benevolent absolutism should only be made available to those who embrace the virtue of Empire by adopting citizenship - for the rest there really is no reason to heed their voices at all.
I disagree with you for the following reasons:

1. Foreigners may be right about certain things. In this case, putting hurdles on their ability to speak up prevents the right opinion from being heard.

2. Needless bureaucracy is generally bad. Making people report stuff to an official who will then place it in a special forum far away from where the rest of the discussion is going on is needless bureaucracy.

3. The more people we have discussing things, the more activity we get, and the stronger Shireroth becomes to those who measure strength by activity, which is quite a lot of people.

4. Allowing foreigners to closely participate in Shireroth forges connections between them and us which help relations between our countries. We have officially friendly relationships with both Gralus and Alexandria, but our relation with Gralus is stronger and more fruitful because many Gralans consistently post on our forums, whereas Alexandrians generally don't.

5. Banning foreigners from meaningfully participating in Shirerithian life needlessly extends the amount of time before they become Shirerithian citizens. Anyone who's reached the point where they're posting on our forums a lot is going to become assimilated here eventually, and better sooner than later; Babs is probably a few months and few downturns in Beaugian activity away from becoming at least a Baron here. And before you say that his obvious hatred of Shireroth makes him an exception to the pattern, I remind you that four years ago you were instigating anti-Shireroth riots in Babkha by calling us (and forgive me if I mangle the quote) "a horde of immature, idiotic, fantasy-obsessed Californian mango lovers, and if their thinking is as confused as their spelling then God help us all", and now you're the Minister of Military Affairs. That would never have happened if the only way you could communicate with us was by relaying messages through Tahmaseb to MiniEx.

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:31 am
by hypatias mom
I also enjoy the different perspectives brought by non-citizens. We have a number of regular visitors who post, enriching all of our micronational experience. I think that to limit that would be to limit our perspective, and therefore, to lead toward boredom and lack of interest. I say, post where your interest lies, except in the lLandsraad proper, which is restrricted to government officials. And if you enjoy the interplay, please consider joining us as a citizen.

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:30 am
by Aurangzeb Khan
Was it really four years ago?

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:36 am
by b3n|<3r|\|
:D How did I know that one was coming...

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:35 pm
by babs
Scott of Hyperborea wrote:
In this case, putting hurdles on their ability to speak up prevents the right opinion from being heard.
Thank you :)
Scott of Hyperborea wrote:
Babs is probably a few months and few downturns in Beaugian activity away from becoming at least a Baron here. And before you say that his obvious hatred of Shireroth
Beaugium isn't going anywhere Scott :no

I don't hate Shireroth, I feel th opposite, I believe it's a fine nation. I hate what's happening to it of late.

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:07 pm
by b3n|<3r|\|
What's happening to it? (That could easily be meant as a snappy response but it's a genuine question)

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:10 pm
by Aurangzeb Khan
You fool don't you realise it is being destroyed from within by the evil Babkhan conspiracy! :rolleyes

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:18 pm
by b3n|<3r|\|
I need clarification. My access to SAVAK was been rescinded, the details of the conspiracy elude me these days. The only logical place for me to look for the information I crave is Babs. :p

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:04 pm
by babs
*blush*

Beaugium is perfectly active. The one month Shireroth has beaten beaugium in activity - if you count things like PPD and w/e - was the month I started posting here. How odd.

You're going to be more active again this month - stats wise - because I've been posting and people have been responding.

I shall take on the new title of 'Activity God'

*rushes back to MCS to affirm this.*

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:12 pm
by Andreas the Wise
Oh, please, Toketi pwns your activity ...

Liam, a new title for your god-dom?

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:14 pm
by b3n|<3r|\|
Let's not forget our Polish friends Slavinia! :thumbsup

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:41 pm
by babs
Lovely pwns all of us.

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:25 pm
by b3n|<3r|\|
Yeah, but I'd rather be the most hated man in Shireroth than the most loved man in Lovely. :tomcutterhamonfire

Re: Resolution: Recwar clarification

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:05 pm
by Liam conToketi
Andreas the Wise wrote:Oh, please, Toketi pwns your activity ...

Liam, a new title for your god-dom?
Let's see, I'm already god of foxes, psions, royalty, and things that vibrate...I guess that could be tacked on...