Seperation of Wiki and State

[osmose1000]

Stop fucking calling me Mike! You think I listed my name as Moose on everything except the essay because I thought it was funny?The real issue here is that you cannot comprehend the idea Shireroth still having power over the wiki without having the wiki answer to the whims of the Kaiser and the Landsraad.You're basically saying that unless the landsraad and the Kaiser have power to do what they want with the wiki, that you think the whole organization will be screwed to hell? How fucking selfish are you?It's called MICROWIKI, not SHIREWIKI! It can't move on with people like you saying "IT'S SHIREROTHS NOT YOURS BUT PLS POST ON IT". They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...Edited by: osmose1000  at: 9/24/05 9:05

[Fax Celestis]

Quote:Are you guys fucking retarded? If we give up all control of an organization to an independent party, even if that independent party happens to be, at the time of secession, members of our state, then there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MORE THAT WE CAN DO SINCE THE ORGANIZATION IS NO LONGER UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.I would point out that insults are a good way to get people mad at you. Cut it out.It wouldn't be under the Kaiser's jurisdiction, no. It would be under Moose and I's jurisdictions. Which, to be honest, is tantamount to the same thing, considering I don't know what other nations exist and Moose isn't really friendly with any of them.In addition, as I've been saying, we still control the webspace and the code.Quote:THE CESSATION OF A FUNCTIONAL SHIRITHIAN ORGANIZATION DOES GREATER DAMAGE TO SHIREROTH THAN THE CESSATION OF A GROUP OF PIXELS ON A MAP WHICH EVEN IN FICTIONAL CULTURE ARE INACTIVE AND WORTHLESS. If giving away land was enough to incite rebellion, should not giving away one of its most esteemed organizations do at least as much?We're not ceding it to anyone. We're not giving it away. It's still Shirithian-presented. Think of it as the Superbowl, brought to you by Miller Light. Only in this case, it's Microwiki, brought to you by Shireroth. And to be honest, I don't see how this could possibly damage us when half of you people don't even USE the damn thing. Perhaps, Joe, if you cared enough about the Wiki to, oh, say, put up a few articles in it about Kildare or your work in the Ministries, I'd be more apt to listen to you right now. Instead, it seems all you do is rant and rave about how much this means to you when you don't even use it. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink RegigoraaukEdited by: Fax Celestis  at: 9/24/05 9:51

[Gryphon the Pure]

Moose: Sorry about the name thing.You're right. I can't comprehend the idea of Shireroth still having power over the wiki without having the wiki answer to the whims of the Kaiser and the Landsraad. You know why? Because the Kaiser and the Landsraad -are- Shireroth. There are two ways to define Shireroth: Shireroth is the Kaiser, his word is law, etc; and Shireroth is the co-operation of the whole of its Nobility, which is represented in the Landsraad. One can certainly stand without the other, as history has proven, but take both away and you no longer have Shireroth.I have no predictions on whether independence will fail the Microwiki endeavor, but one thing I can say is that if it should fail under Shirithian administration, it will have the support of the Kaiser and the Landsraad, as well as Shireroth's allies to get it back up and running. Should it fail under independent administration, there will be no such guarantee.James:Just because you are independent from other nations doesn't mean you are dependent upon Shireroth, and even if you are, then there is no reason to say any different, since everyone knows that.While we control the webspace and code, it would be dishonourable to use that to our advantage against an independent organization in much the same way as Erik exploiting his EzOp powers to re-take control of Shireroth even though he's not even a citizen anymore would be dishonourable. By depending on that real-world power as our micro-world weapon, we equate ourselves to micronational terrorists.Quote:And to be honest, I don't see how this could possibly damage us when half of you people don't even USE the damn thing.More than half of "you people" don't use Kildare, but that certainly doesn't give Hypatia and me the right to seize our Dutchy from Shireroth, even if we did have "Landsraad support".

[Fax Celestis]

Except Kildare is different from the Wiki.I do see where you're coming from, Joe, but you're in a very weak position as of right now, and all you're doing is name-calling and finger-pointing.Why don't you change my mind instead of bitching me out? Hm? Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[Fax Celestis]

Greater Brookshire changes its vote to NAY (6) on the grounds of forthcoming potential legislation. Viatax Sitadi Axdivijink Regigoraauk

[RicLyon]

Elwynn votes NAY with its TWO votes. Richard LyonYansha Elaer Kyon gef ShanPernem kahn gef kuymal per varga stiPernem kahn gef varga per kuymal sti

[osmose1000]

Yardistan changes it's vote to Nay (7), not on account of forthcoming legislation that I don't have a clue about, but rather, because it's Duke is tired and just wants Babkha to die. They call it a signature, but no one ever signs their posts...

[Shyriath]

Naudia'Diva votes NAY (2), due to the other legislation coming and stuff.

[Hypatia Agnesi]

This bill has FAILED.Aye: 0Nay: 21Abstain: 0 *throws grenade for the hell of it*BO0O0O0O0/\/\!!!!!!