A Prime-Minister? Perhaps?

Kaiser Letifer III · Post by **Kaiser Letifer III** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:52 pm

I know it come up before.. and in the past.. was violently repressed.. I know.. I helped repress it.. But that was generally due to it being set up as an elected position with power...

I was thinking.. that it might be nice to have someone who was in charge of the ministers, who had authority to do anything they could all do... and not be the Kaiser..

perhaps give these powers to the Steward, more openly and actively.. right now the Steward has all the powers of the Kaiser... more or less.. but really only is useful when the Kaiser isn't around.

I'm thinking.. Prime-Minister has the power to speak and propose bills in the Landsraad, based solely on the merit of that office. (ie, they don't need be a noble.. but can be..).. and act as the representative of the Ministers in the Landsraad.

They of course can still go to the front gate, and be summed individually.

Actaully.. I got a better idea..

Council of Ministers. Not really a second legislature.. but more a place where the ministers can all come together and talk, free of others.. like the Landsraad can. the Prime-Minister would just be the Prætor of the Council of Ministers.

The Council may draft bills to send to the Landsraad, where the Prime-Minister can put them forth for vote. This would give more avenues for things to get done, though still would bottleneck in the Landsraad. Would create another job, but one that isn't vital to the overall functioning of the nation if not filled.

What you all think?

Prime-Minister and a Council of Ministers? Or Ministerial Council.. or.. some other fun name we can think of for either?

Jess · Post by **Jess** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:24 pm

good idea! i think that this would really advance shirithian culture

Braden Indianensis · Post by **Braden Indianensis** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:04 pm

OMG!!!!!1!on3

A person, with ACTUAL POWER, elected by people who are not necessarily NOBILITY?! And who could speak in the LANDSRAAD? Surely not...but no, it couldn't be....?!

Post by **Scott of Hyperborea** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:23 am

Why?

In the past, it would've been a great idea, but now we have so few people that we can't even fill the useful jobs.

Braden Indianensis · Post by **Braden Indianensis** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:43 am

It's a vestage of

(*Dun-dun-DUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!)

DEMOCRACY!

benkern · Post by **benkern** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:43 am

Not only that, Braden, it's -

RED FONT COLOURED DEMOCRACY!

Which makes it infinitely worse. Damn Commie and Centralist fiends!

Scott definately has a point. Quite amusingly, exactly this problem is found in smaller micronations, perhaps those of but a few months of age, in which there are a buncha high-ranked dudes - PM, King, maybe a Prince - then no commoners, no Ministers, no... lower ranked Kings... *ahem* anyway, you get my point. Perhaps, to put it bluntly, those in Shireroth that don't have jobs and wouldn't mind having a job should take up a Ministry, then if at least a few are thriving, a PM would be appropriate?

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:50 am

i think a prime ministrer would be great . . . if! we had more constantly active citizenry.

perhaps we could assign the PM powers to an office already in exsistance, perhaps the Preator? seeing as it is a moderatory position i think the office could handle it. maybe rename it.

but as it is the ministries arent full, barons and dukes are intermitent, and not all the counties that should be inhabited ARE inhabited (im just as guilty, i admit it)

so making NEW offices might be presumptuous, but putting the role into effect sounds like a good idea.

Kaiser Letifer III · Post by **Kaiser Letifer III** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:53 pm

I know it can't be filled right now. THus the fact that it's not a required position, it's just... there..

Maybe make the Steward a sort of Prime-Minister.

I'm just thinking of things we could create for late dates. And things that might be fun to have.

That reminds me... I need a Steward...

Post by **Jonas** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:27 am

Kaiser Letifer III wrote:
Maybe make the Steward a sort of Prime-Minister.

Or the Preator

Kaiser Letifer III · Post by **Kaiser Letifer III** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:30 pm

Prætor is busy enough as it is...

You know.. I was hoping to garner a lil more debate than this...

Post by **Jonas** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:02 am

Kaiser Letifer III wrote:Prætor is busy enough as it is...

You know.. I was hoping to garner a lil more debate than this...

Busy?

Kaiser Letifer III · Post by **Kaiser Letifer III** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:07 pm

Well.. in theory...

Post by **Jonas** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:59 am

Kaiser Letifer III wrote:Well.. in theory...

Yes, I'm very busy... in theory

Kaiser Letifer III · Post by **Kaiser Letifer III** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:20 pm

This was something that I was gonna put before the landsraad... since I don't feel like just decreeing it...

Post by **Jonas** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:52 am

Kaiser Letifer III wrote:This was something that I was gonna put before the landsraad... since I don't feel like just decreeing it...

Very smart of you, Your Majesty

EriShadowMoon · Post by **EriShadowMoon** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:09 am

What posisions are in need of fillin at this point in time?? what is filled by who. In the past I've just hun around n figured it out but well that takes a wile. And I don't realy know whos active or not ither.... I'm plannin on stickin around a bit this time. I know I've said that before but this time I have a comp at a job that I get rediculusly board at and am about to get a new comp at home.

Post by **Jonas** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:07 pm

EriShadowMoon wrote:What posisions are in need of fillin at this point in time?? what is filled by who. In the past I've just hun around n figured it out but well that takes a wile. And I don't realy know whos active or not ither.... I'm plannin on stickin around a bit this time. I know I've said that before but this time I have a comp at a job that I get rediculusly board at and am about to get a new comp at home.

There are ministers, a Preator(me

), the Kaier and nobles.

EriShadowMoon · Post by **EriShadowMoon** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:49 pm

I was gone I didn't get amnisia :-P lol but thank you

Kaiser Letifer III · Post by **Kaiser Letifer III** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:47 pm

Even I'm not completely sure who's around.. I'm still working on it..

EriShadowMoon · Post by **EriShadowMoon** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:03 pm

Do we still have a functioning cencous*sp ???

And thank you

hypatias mom · Post by **hypatias mom** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:43 pm

Eriana--

We are actually in the middle of taking a census right now. Please enter your information in the Big Brother Census thread.

That goes for everyone else as well, please.

Thank you for your cooperation. This will allow the Kaiser to know just how many active citizens are in Shireroth, as well as good friends and tourists, if they choose to register their presence,

Post by **Gman Russell** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:44 pm

Late to the party, but since this wasnt closed, i'll throw my 2 cents in.

No.

Last thing we need is more government positions. We dont have a problem with this at all, imho. We just need nobles to be active in the Landsraad. Solve that problem, and it's all good.

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