Recwar with Antica - a poll

[Rarkasha]

This is how I see it:
Medieval warfare--magic possible, since nukes aren't.

Korea-era warfare: nukes possible; magic would detract from satisfaction of nukage.

It's the same thing, and actually, magic is more balanced in modern ages. They would require just as much training (or in the case of nukes, construction and materials) to use to have a doom spell or a nuke. Magic isn't simply incredibly easy just because it's magic - look at Dungeons and Dragons for examples of how hard advanced spells can be. (I'm talking about the epic book here ) A reasonable assumption would be that it would require a ton of effort to have a spell that is as powerful as a nuclear weapon.

Regardless, my point is not to convince people that magic is totally awesome and should be used in every RecWar. My point really is just that it is a viable candidate as any other theme.

I think what he means by having magic in a modern setting is that you have two things that go boom, so it's not necessary to have both.

Like making a sandwich out of four slices of bread, I guess.

[Fax Celestis]

Like making a sandwich out of four slices of bread, I guess.

That's called a "club".

[Braden Indianensis]

White bread is dangerous enough without eating it in large quantities(perhaps we shall use that as a secret weapon--not so secret, now.)Anyway, Jupiter and I have been working out a strategy,and,since they had/have all of the necessary weaponry for the strategy in both the Middle Ages and the modern era, it could work either way(airplanes being a notable exception, in which case we may substitute dragons or griffins--as I said, magic would be useful in Medieval times, whereas modern technology would really releave our need for magic.)

[Nick Foghorn Leghorn]

If it isn't too much to ask of our Shirerithian comrades, I know I'd personally prefer using the runner up in this poll, the current technology. Most of Antican culture is based on current technology, and I think it would be a lot less confusing for our newbies if we didn't delve into the subtle differences between 14th and 15th century armor.

[Braden Indianensis]

By the fifteenth century, armor was becoming quite useless. Anyone who is smart enough to be in a micronation is smart enough to at least know that bit of history. Of course, you were just using that as an example, but I don't think it shall be a problem for the people who are actually writing the battles.

[Fax Celestis]

Armor's really pretty much always been overrated.

[Chrimigules]

I like longbows...

[Nick Foghorn Leghorn]

But back to point, while I'd personally love to have a conversation about this, I think that it would be better to use an easier weapons set, such as the modern era.

[presidentwoodrow]

agreed with foghorn

[Braden Indianensis]

I don't see how modern-day weapon sets are "easier," but the people will decide. Of course, we're in rather a delicate position here: if one nation decides to go one way, then the other nation will have to go the same way.

[presidentwoodrow]

well i'm more familair with the cold war/modern weaponery than i'am with other periodic weapnery

[Bill3000]

White bread is dangerous enough without eating it in large quantities(perhaps we shall use that as a secret weapon--not so secret, now.)Anyway, Jupiter and I have been working out a strategy,and,since they had/have all of the necessary weaponry for the strategy in both the Middle Ages and the modern era, it could work either way(airplanes being a notable exception, in which case we may substitute dragons or griffins--as I said, magic would be useful in Medieval times, whereas modern technology would really releave our need for magic.)

Flavor, and in the case of Shireroth, part of the nation's theme. It's not required, of course, but it is part of the theme, and in the case of myself, one of my favorite themes; I like mixing technology and magic, thanks in no part to my work on the Control of Destiny series. Besides, fictionally it makes no sense to ban something that exists, but I'm pretty sure that people arn't caring about sense when it comes to standardized micronational fiction, otherwise the idea of having a theme other than information aged + magic for all wars would be prevalent in those countries which have magic and do not have a non-standard theme. Shireroth isn't Treesia, and does not have a medival theme. Its theme is quite similar to Jasonia's, actually, except with a different culture and the unfortuanate lack of flying islands.

[Braden Indianensis]

I cannot deny the truth of what you have said.

[Jupiter]

Shireroth isn't Treesia, and does not have a medival theme. Its theme is quite similar to Jasonia's, actually, except with a different culture and the unfortuanate lack of flying islands.

Actually, I always figured we had more of a post-apocalyptic theme going - large-scale weapons, rifles, and swords, armor, and magic.

It worked for me.

[Bill3000]

Shireroth isn't Treesia, and does not have a medival theme. Its theme is quite similar to Jasonia's, actually, except with a different culture and the unfortuanate lack of flying islands.

Actually, I always figured we had more of a post-apocalyptic theme going - large-scale weapons, rifles, and swords, armor, and magic.

It worked for me.

Nope. Jasonia's theme followed Chrono Trigger, which has pretty much all of that flavor in its different eras; more importantly it was Control of Destiny which introduced magic and fantasy into the country. Shireroth has always been modern based at the least and technology leading up to but not quite Jasonia's. Erik probably introduced magic in Shireroth with the Technomaezj, ironic considering the fact that it was an organization opposed to magic.

But from what I see, however, the actual fantasy attributes did not come until the Menelmacari moved to Shireroth - Mari and Jadie are excellent examples of this.

If our theme was post-apocalyptic, we wouldn't have a feudal society, or really any real government; most likely an anarchy, and I'm not talking about Yardistan anarchy either. Post-apocolyptic themes generally don't create new technology, but salvage or use already existing technology, which tends to be futuristic, not modern, anyway. Our lands are not ruined or wastelands, the CoD team prevented that.

[Ari Rahikkala]

If our theme was post-apocalyptic, we wouldn't have a feudal society, or really any real government; most likely an anarchy, and I'm not talking about Yardistan anarchy either. Post-apocolyptic themes generally don't create new technology, but salvage or use already existing technology, which tends to be futuristic, not modern, anyway. Our lands are not ruined or wastelands, the CoD team prevented that.

I don't think Steve meant quite that with "post-apocalyptic". It's not that we're supposed to be the survivors of an ekpyrosis, eking out a living in a devastated world and trying to rebuild society, no matter how cool that might be. It's that we've got Kaisers storming into battle wielding the Sword of Vengeance one day, and field artillery and electronic warfare the other. Things like that happen in post-apocalyptic settings: If you happen to be lucky enough to find an advanced weapon, there's nothing stopping you from using it, but most of the time you'll have to make do with blade and bow. It doesn't really have much to do with eschaton, it's just that the coexistence of weapons of different sophistication is a common theme in post-apocalyptic fiction.

FWIW, assuming that's what Steve really meant, I don't really agree with him. You can see weapons of different technological sophistication coexist in some micronational works - for instance, nobody really minds the fact that CoD has things like an extremely advanced artificially intelligent robot, a swordfighter, and a gunner in the same party. However, when Shirithians get serious about fiction, it seems to me that we tend to be rather consistent - ancient wars are fought with ancient weapons, but modern wars with modern ones, and these days the Sword of Vengeance &co. are used mostly for show. Being able to decide that we're medieval for the purpose for one war and futuristic for another is fun, but nothing new - I think it was back in the time of the CRY that I first saw the idea of the time-travelling state lauded..

[Jupiter]

That is EXACTLY what I meant

Though we will have to disagree on the second half, Ari.

[Braden Indianensis]

You see, I actually agree with all of what Ari has said.