Imperial Decree #50: New Constitution

[Kaiser Raynor X]

Constitution of the Land of ShirerothThe Kaiser:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp All executive powers of Shireroth shall be vested in the Kaiser. The Kaiser may make any decree regarding the operation, behavior and functions of Shireroth as well as any actions he/she deems fit as long as they do not violate this constitution. The Kaiser shall have Supreme Judiciary power. The Kaiser is the Supreme Commander of the Militia, Military, and/or any other armed force under Shireroth control. &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The Kaiser before the end of his/her life reign as Kaiser must pick a successor from among all those eligible by birthright. Should the Kaiser die or abdicate the throne, the Kaisership shall pass to his/her successor. &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp In times when a successor is below twelve years of age, a Steward shall be appointed by a majority of the Landsraad. A steward shall be appointed by the Kaiser or Landsraad should the Kaiser take temporary leave of his/her throne. Should the Kaiser have no stated heir, the Steward shall become the head of the Empire until an heir can be found. Should no Steward be appointed at this time, the Landsraad shall convene and elect one. Landsraad:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The Landsraad shall be vested, through the good grace of the Kaiser, with the legislative powers of Shireroth. The Landsraad may set its own rules for voting percentages and procedures. Any bill, act, measure, dictate, statement or order passed or issued by the Landsraad may be vetoed by the Kaiser for any reason.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The Kaiser has the power to dismiss and recall to session the Landsraad at anytime. Should the Kaiser die or abdicate the throne, the Landsraad shall be automatically called to session. The Landsraad is vested with Judiciary powers second only to the Kaiser.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The Landsraad shall consist of the Nobles of Shireroth. Nobles may pick their own successor from among those eligible by birthright. Should no heir be available the Kaiser shall appoint the next Noble. The Kaiser has the power to create new Duchies/Baronies as he/she sees fit. Only the Landsraad may remove a Duchy’s/Barony’ seat from the Landsraad, thereby disbanding the Duchy completely and redefining the lands as necessary. The Kaiser has the power to reshape the borders of any Duchy/Barony as he/she sees fit. &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Only Ruling Nobles or Emissaries appointed by a Ruling noble may vote within he Landsraad. Ministers of Shireroth may speak within the Landsraad but may not vote on just the merits of their office alone. &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Votes: Each Duchy shall be given six votes to cast within the Landsraad. A Ruling Duke/Duchess may divide these vote up among the nobles of his/her duchy as he/she sees fit, keeping in mind that he/she must control at least half the total votes. The Prætor must be informed of how a Duchy’s votes are distributed before any vote from that duchy may be cast. The Prætor: The Prætor of Shireroth shall be elected by the nobility of the land from among the Full--Citizens of the Land. The Prætor of Shireroth shall preside over the Landsraad as chairman. His/Her purpose shall be to call a meeting of the Landsraad to order, tally votes, close vote, and generally manage and keep order within the Landsraad as well as keep records of all bills and resolutions passed during his/her tenure.Ministries:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The Ministers of Shireroth are answerable to both the Landsraad and the Kaiser, who may both appoint and dismiss ministers at will; and create and destroy ministries at will. Minister of Information:The job of the Minister of Information shall be to keep the public of Shireroth informed of all matters of state that have been made public officially. The Minister of Information shall be vested with the power of maintaining all official forms of national communications. Minister of Military Affairs: The job of the Minister of Military Affairs shall be to see to the creation, training and general maintenance of the armed forces of Shireroth. All military, militia and/or armed forces within Shireroth are answerable to the Minister of Military Affairs second only to the Kaiser him/herself. Minister of TradeThe job of the Minister of Trade shall be to see to all economic affairs within Shireroth, to maintain the currency of Shireroth, and maintain the Imperial Treasury. The currency of the Imperial Republic of Shireroth shall be the €rb. Minister of Immigration And Naturalization:The job of the Minister of Immigration and Naturalization shall be to maintain a means by which individuals may immigrate to and become citizens of Shireroth. The minister is vested with the responsibility of maintaining an up to date record of the citizenry of Shireroth. The Ministry of Immigration and Naturalization shall be vested with the duty of maintaining a periodic census of the population of Shireroth. Ministry of Technology:The job of the Minister of Technology shall be to see to the technological advancement of Shireroth. The minister shall also be vested with the power and responsibility of establishing and maintaining a national system of education. Ministry of the Exterior:The job of the Minister of the Exterior shall be to establish and maintain communications with bodies and/or nations outside the bounds of Shireroth. The Minster shall be vested with the power and responsibility of negotiating with foreign powers, and presenting the outcome of said negotiations to the Kaiser and/or Landsraad. Raynor M'JiliadKaiser of Shireroth

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I like the successor age thing...but...12 years? Is that what we are concerned with. Think micronnationally realistically. Shouldn't it be somebody who has been in the nation for a certain amount of time? Just sounds like a good idea. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[david northworthy beckfor]

Quote:somebody who has been in the nation for a certain amount of time?but that would make Aures rule impossible if it had been like that before, and thatr is a bad thing, as she was the first good* ruller this nation ever had!*for "good" read "good looking" David I Eric Vivian Northorthy Beckford KGCS KL OHDafitt Erick Wiffjan Nurtbefoon Bergsdrumfort"It's a dull man who can only find one way to spell a word"(Mark Twain)My Mission - To be a nuisence to all! (especialy to those I like!), and to be Kaiser of Shieroth by 14/07/04.Aim - hwsbossMSN - kingDaveofDerbyCLEAN UP SCUM! SUPPORT THE anse CONDEMNATION! BALLOT YOUR RULERS NOW!

[Gryphon Avocatio]

IMHO, she was not a fit ruler. She didn't know what she was doing yet.I'm also questioning the Kaiser's ability to decree new constitutions. That makes no sense. -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

It makes perfect sense. Else the Kaiser would be basicly powerless.. cause the Landsraad would just change the constitution to do away with it.. especially with all this fucking democracy talk...Nick, Don't submit to the American political system.. resist the urge to think Gov class has the answers for micronations!... It's an evil class! It promotes the status Qou.... (I swear.. it teaches the 2 parties system like it is the ONLY system we could ever have... and should ever have.. and ONLY teaches you about the democrats and republicans.... Evil class... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I don't want democracy...and i don't want parties...and american government...isn't what i'm looking for... the as long as we have both a Landsraad and the Kaisership, there will be a power struggle....and the fact that the Kaiser can edit the constitution means that he is infinitely powerful, even though he is under the constitution...regardless of what you do or if I stop trying for this, the nation will move towards democracy...now I will try to avoid that...because I don't want democracy...but i don't like loop-holes like that either...If we have a constitution, it might as well be worth something...otherwise, we should just get rid of it...because it has no purpose if we just want to run the nation on tradition and an omnipotent leader... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

Than do what I always did.. simply use it as a reference.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

But i'm not you. And I have vastly different political and philosopical views than you. And i believe that a slight change is in order for the protection of this nation from as of yet unseen powers... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[TonerMan]

All I want is to maintain the supremecy of the Kaisership.... Holy Warrior of Nee

[Gryphon Avocatio]

I do too...and that can be done with the constitution. And at the moment, there are people who do not want the Kaiser to be supreme. Do you understand? I'm trying to use the constitution to protect culture. That bill I put through the landsraad...do you think i actually expected that to go through? Hell, no. I wanted to find out exactly what was going on and where people's feelings are. And i did. And I know that soon, not now, but soon there will be another push for democracy...so...we have to work now...At the moment, the only person capable of changing the constituiton is the kaiser (since it was decreed, and nobody can change decrees except kaisers and stewards). The landsraad is powerless against the kaiser. Don't be worried about the landsraad destroying the nation, because, well, we can't... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

Oh yeah..... I forgot about that.... It was decreed... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Exactly...I'm worried about a kinda "Magna Carta" thing where the landsraad forces the Kaiser to decree something that could fundamentally hurt the kaiser...We need something... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

how could the Landsraad force the Kaiser to do such a thing? E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

It could happen...if we had some sort of wimpy kaiser...Aure bent pretty easily under pressure...we have to protect the nation from incompetant and over-competant leadership that we have been so-far lucky not to haave... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

But how? without ourselves weakening the Kaisership... maybe we should put the restrictions on the Landsraad.. not the Kaiser... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Limiting the landsraad...sounds like a bad idea...people don't like the idea of being controled or restricted...that may only aid the problem itself... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

but we can't limit the Kaiser.. cuase that would promote the problem too... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Well...we found the big flaw in our political system...we at least know it's there now... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

All system have at least 1 inherent flaw that either can't be.. or might not be.. able to be solved.... We just need to make sure we get Strong Kaisers, and Yardistan armed for combat if things go sour.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Hmm...could a Kaiser...set down requirements for selecting a kaiser? -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

In... Theory.. but like the... "decree(?)" that says I can't be Kaiser, It would be pretty pointless... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Then...one could argue that all decrees are pointless... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

No.. not so... But one COULD.. argue that all decrees that try to restrict later Kaisers, are pointless.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon Avocatio]

Your right...Pointless is...extreme...but any Kaiser could theoretically make any decree worthless... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.

[UEC]

Well... yes.. if they couldn't.. we'de end up with a backlog of outdated laws we couldn't remove.. E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Kaiseress Jadie]

Here's an idea...how about to remove a past law it needs the approval of the Kaiser and the Landsraad?*gets glares*It is just an idea!!!! Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

[UEC]

That would hinder the Kaiser to much. and what about when there is no Landsraad? Cause it doens't HAVE to exsist you know... E. Metzler (UEC)Duke of Brookshire"Never use a BOO/\/\ist as a diplomat" -- GSClicky Clicky..., Tiss for your own good ya know.

[Gryphon the Pure]

well... then when there is a landsraad, it is required... and when there isn't... well... then I'd say it would require a landsraad... but then there's the fact that the kaiser could remove all nobles but his loyal supporters before reinstating the landsraad... but that could be done anyways... let's just keep it with kaiser supreme... which reminds me...the kaiser is an administrator level on the board... and it is 999... (even above coezop) yet our past like six kaisers have only had the level 500 administratorship (of "admin")... what's up with that? technically, I think I could remove the kaiser's admin (not that I would)... and that would be bad... Raised by a family of Griffins in the forests of Llanowar, this young mage is rumored to be the sole male born of the Serra tribe.

[Kaiseress Jadie]

meh...part of me still doesn't like that the Kaiser can remove anything that specific person might have a problem with...what if the person hates some other good loyal citizen for some stupid personal reason and bans him for that?? that is stupid!!!! That shouldn't be allowed to happen.....remember I am just speaking figuratively here. Harvey's Elf-cat Kaiseress

[Gryphon Avocatio]

The Kaiser is supreme...but than again, he isn't...Micronations live off of social contract theory...in essence, if you don't like that the kaiser is supreme, you could launch a rebellion to oust him...which with posting levels is virtually impossible...or simply leave the nation... -Gryphon Avocatio- Anarch and Duke of all Yardistan - Minister of Imigration and Naturalisation, Shireroth - Shirerothian Elder - "Minsiter of Dance, Pants and Funny Walks" - SAVE THE KIWI!! God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. Send her victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us; God save the Queen. Thy choicest gifts in store On her be pleased to pour, Long may she reign.May she defend our laws, And ever give us cause To sing with heart and voice God save the Queen.