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Kaiser Letifer II · Post by **Kaiser Letifer II** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:04 am

So I'm just taking the old council as mine for now. Who's here?

Post by **Scott of Hyperborea** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:21 am

I am for now.

I completely forgot this place was here, so now I have somewhere I can tell you what I've been waiting for you to get on AIM for.

We may want to try Delphi. We have proof positive that he's involved in some way with Tgaoth and obstructing our investigation, and some evidence that he may actually *be* Tgaoth. A trial may be the only fair way to deal with this. On the other hand, someone (I think Bill) mentioned that he threatened to leave if we accused him of this, so you will have to make a difficult choice.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:55 am

Whp else would want the Antica's gone but him?

And if he is (part of) Tgaoth, do we really want him in the country?

Kaiser Letifer II · Post by **Kaiser Letifer II** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:40 am

Yes, but if he is indeed innocent, than we insulted him. And if we don't confict him, and public oppinion is against him, we look bad. It's sad when politics gets into justice.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:07 am

From everything I've looked at (including tracing back IPs and proxy programs, talking to the Anticans, talking to Delphi, and digging around in the fora), Delphi's the only possibility.

Post by **Scott of Hyperborea** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:45 pm

Note that I'm recommending a trial, not an immediate conviction. At which point we can look through the evidence and decide whether he's guilty. If he leaves because we try him, that's too bad, but we can't let that affect our judgment.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:59 pm

Wouldn't leaving due to trial imply guilt anyway?

Kaiser Letifer II · Post by **Kaiser Letifer II** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:17 pm

no. In the same right that not testifying against yourself doesn't imply guilt. But it does raise questions.

I'de proly have the Judex deal with the case, though I do question Reigna's compotence for a Trial of this nature, she was instilled to deal with Law, not criminal cases. So I might have to deal with it personally. Which I don't want to for polic reasons, I'm sad to admit. Just another reason people could use to hate me.

Post by **Scott of Hyperborea** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:00 pm

Who is Reigna?

Also, unless the site password has been changed since Delphi was fired as MiniInfo, he still has the site password. I suggest that be fixed BEFORE we put him on trial, just in case he gets very upset.

Greg Dean · Post by **Greg Dean** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:20 pm

I changed that last week. Not to worry.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:56 pm

I'm changing the Shireroth account password. Anyone who needs it, get a hold of me.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:57 pm

Nevermind, someone already did it.

Greg Dean · Post by **Greg Dean** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:16 pm

As I said, already done.

Kaiser Letifer II · Post by **Kaiser Letifer II** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:08 am

You changed the site password.. how'd you do that? wait... ugh.. I ask later.. my mind is foggy right now.

Post by **Shyriath** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:51 pm

*Pokes his head in as well*

I've been wondering about Delphi myself. I knew that the Republic hadn't been able to get a backup, but no one seemed to answer when I asked if the Dinarchy had managed it. Over in Lemuria, Kuralyov (I think that's who it was) seems also to have arrived at the conclusion that Delphi is responsible, and annoyingly paranoid as he seems to be, he did have some good points.

I was hoping to hear that Delphi wasn't involved, but in such a fashion as this do dreams pass...

Do we know for sure how the Antica attacks were carried out? And if so, do we have (or can we get) the means to defend against such an attack on our fora? If Delphi proves to be guilty and he is punished, or if he otherwise decides there's a reason to hold a grudge against us for trying to connect him to this business, we ought to be as ready as possible in the event that he tries something against us.

Post by **Scott of Hyperborea** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:58 am

Thus spake Sander:

Either the attacker guessed the passwords he needed (in which case our only defense is to make our passwords complex and hard to guess)

Or the attacker hacked the passwords he needed somehow (in which case we still should make our passwords complex and hard to guess, but we really just have to hope whatever hacking method he used doesn't work on us)

Or the attacker exploited some flaw in phpBB (in which case we're all doomed)

In any case, our best defense is to have good and frequent backups.

Fax Celestis · Post by **Fax Celestis** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:18 pm

From what I've heard from Foghorn, the phpBB itself was perfectly fine; what happened was that the hacker actually got onto their server and deleted the mySQL directory. In essence, instead of deleting the forum from within, he took the entire forum and dragged it (shell and all) into the trash bin.

AngelGuardian93 · Post by **AngelGuardian93** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:43 pm

*sigh*

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:46 pm

I think Sander is aware of that. He would again need to either have guessed the website password, hacked the website password, or have exploited a flaw in phpBB that allows you to manipulate the phpBB directory as a normal phpBB user.

Ari Rahikkala · Post by **Ari Rahikkala** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:16 am

Requesting declassification per Declassification act of 3742.

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