Three Conversations:

[Delphi]

Perhaps, although I wouldn't give any of them as much credit as you are. Johanns is a horrible liar, and Steven is an idiot. Then again I haven't really much concerned myself with Attera's role in this, in terms of New Brannum, etc., even though the Dinarchy had rights to New Brannum...

[Delphi]

Take this one as you will, me and Steven:Quote:(16:58:15) Delphi Augustus: *walks in*(16:58:22) st3v34: hi(16:58:27) st3v34: I can really explain.(16:58:32) st3v34: if you would lend an ear.(16:58:39) Delphi Augustus: I'm lending.(17:02:0 st3v34: Right after you were annexed, it didn't look like I was going to negotiate. and the Atterans and Babkhans proposed me into this. I entertained for a bit and then decided that it's probably not worth much attention and went to work with you guys, thinking that even if their solution was a good one, it wasn't the best solution. Throughout the negotiation process, the Atterans and Babkhans continued to try to work with me to go with this solution, however, I persisted in telling them that I was in the middle of negotiations and I had agreed to work with you guys and not backstab.(17:05:17) Delphi Augustus: Just a silly little question I've got... Why should I believe this? Your little explanation conveniently leaves you in the free and clear. Sounds like something you made up to save your ass. And if you're telling me a lie, I'm going to find out.(17:06:52) st3v34: I'm not lying. I have been quite honest about this since the beginning of the negotiations. Prior to that, yes I was considering that option.(17:07:26) Delphi Augustus: So you're telling me that I'm not going to find out that you had one iota more responsibility than you claim?(17:07:55) st3v34: responsibility for what? FOr the idea?(17:08:04) st3v34: No...it wasn't my idea to begin with.(17:08:37) Delphi Augustus: That it wasn't your idea, that you haven't been discussing it even after negotiations started, anything like that?(17:09:44) Delphi Augustus: If there's anything that you're hiding, I'm going to find out. I'm sure you know by now when there's something to find out, I do so.(17:11:07) st3v34: When people ahve come to me a bout this, I have told them that I'm in negotations with you guys, and I will see how those turn out first.(17:11:4 Delphi Augustus: Interesting assertions have been made about the treaty correlating to that bill in your legislature as well.(17:13:27) st3v34: no.(17:13:50) st3v34: if anything...disagreements I've had with people over THESE talks are what inspired that bill.(17:15:02) Delphi Augustus: Well then I suppose time will tell... I must be going, I've got to meet someone in a few minutes.(17:15:11) st3v34: Me too.(17:15:12) st3v34: Bye.

[Kaiseress Semisa I]

The First, with Steven of Antica:[12:56] st3v34: Okay...I had that optino on the table before I began talks with Scott.[12:56] st3v34: and I put it in the back of my mind because I felt that I had bettter options.[12:57] Fax Celestis: Then how come, by all accounts I've heard, it's still circulating?[12:58] st3v34: well. Not on my count is it circulating. I have told the Atterans and Babkhans and Commonwealthers that unless these talks flounder, I will not deal with that option.[12:58] Fax Celestis: You do realize that it may be out of your hands at this point?[12:59] st3v34: It wasn't MY idea in the first place.[12:59] Fax Celestis: Oh? Then whose was it?[13:03] st3v34: hi[13:03] st3v34: my computer is 4 years old.[13:03] st3v34: (lap top acutally)[13:03] Fax Celestis: [12:59] Fax Celestis: Oh? Then whose was it?[13:03] Fax Celestis: Mine's seven[13:03] st3v34: Lap top?[13:03] Fax Celestis: desktop[13:03] st3v34: oh this is a lap top...far more fragile.[13:04] st3v34: Anyway...it was Johann's.[13:04] Fax Celestis: ...are you going to answer my question?[13:04] st3v34: Johann's.[13:04] Fax Celestis: I see.[13:05] st3v34: so can we continue with the talks?[13:06] Fax Celestis: Only if you make everyone who would have been involved in that contract denounce it and apologize.[13:06] st3v34: How can I do that?[13:08] st3v34: THat's an impossible thing for me to ask.[13:08] Fax Celestis: It's an impossible thing for you to ask for us to just hand you land, but we're talking aobut it aren't we?[13:08] Fax Celestis: Fix. It. Or. No. Land.[13:09] st3v34: If I get Babkha and Attera?[13:09] Fax Celestis: Get the GC and Atterra, and we'll call it even and continue talks.[13:09] st3v34: deal[13:1 st3v34: I'll try my best.[13:1 Fax Celestis: Good.[13:1 st3v34: can I ask where you got it?[13:1 Fax Celestis: I got it from Scott. Where he got it from I have no idea.[13:11] st3v34: TsarevichAleksei: why would i denounce something that hasn't been published[13:11] Fax Celestis: It HAS been published, or have you not looked at the RoA forums recently?[13:14] Fax Celestis: I would call THIS published.[13:14] st3v34: yes[13:16] st3v34: TsarevichAleksei: i see no reason to denounce something which was never intended for useThe Second, with Johanns, immediately following the end of the prior conversation:[13:16] Fax Celestis: IF it wasn't inteded for use, why was it created and discussed?[13:17] TsarevichAleksei: You were given this by Stormark correct?[13:17] Fax Celestis: It was given to me by my intelligence subordinates, and I don't ask where they get their information from.[13:19] TsarevichAleksei: Whether such an idea may or may not have been circulated is not the concern here[13:19] TsarevichAleksei: This document is a forgery meant primarily to discredit Steve and myself[13:19] Fax Celestis: Oh? What is the concern then? Foreign countries meddling [13:19] Fax Celestis: ?[13:19] Fax Celestis: YOU weren't even involved until this document hit paper![13:2 TsarevichAleksei: If i wasn't involved why am i being asked to denounce it[13:2 Fax Celestis: Because it names Atterra specifically within the document.[13:2 Fax Celestis: And because Steve said he worked on it with you. Indeed, that it was YOUR idea.[13:2 TsarevichAleksei: Regardless, I have a good hunch that this is simply retaliation for my saying that stormark can't stop cranda from seceding from the realm[13:21] TsarevichAleksei: if this document is real, it is well over a week old[13:21] TsarevichAleksei: if it were to be inacted, why not then[13:21] Fax Celestis: I told Steve to get all parties involved in the creation of the document to denounce it prior to continutation of the land exchange talks[13:22] TsarevichAleksei: and then you said it was my idea[13:22] Fax Celestis: I said HE said it was your idea.[13:23] TsarevichAleksei: Regardless I can assure you that this is just a political trick by stormark[13:23] TsarevichAleksei: This document was denounced last week[13:23] Fax Celestis: Always with Stormark![13:23] TsarevichAleksei: you can verify that with August Charles[13:23] Fax Celestis: Oh? Then as one of the parties in question why didn't you tell me about it?[13:24] TsarevichAleksei: why would we tell you about something which it was decided would not take place[13:24] Fax Celestis: So that something like what's happening right now wouldn't happen./[13:25] TsarevichAleksei: There was no reason to do so[13:26] Fax Celestis: In any case, I don't believe you when you blame it on Stormark. For one, I have the Declaration from a variety of sources, all within two days.[13:26] Fax Celestis: For another, Steve was gullible enough to tell me directly whose idea it was--yours.[13:26] TsarevichAleksei: I'm fairly certain stormark leaked it[13:26] Fax Celestis: And for a third, he went running to you immediately upon the release of the document.[13:26] TsarevichAleksei: regardless of what other sources you bring up[13:26] Fax Celestis: And why would you say that? Did you leak it to them to leak it to us?[13:27] TsarevichAleksei: Of course not[13:27] TsarevichAleksei: they were considered in the realm of discussion earlier[13:27] TsarevichAleksei: its either them or scott noseworthy, and why would he do it[13:27] Fax Celestis: New Brannum is terrifyingly close to invasion premises for Stormark, and you acquire it directly from the document.[13:27] TsarevichAleksei: that clause was also immediately removed upon the same day[13:27] Fax Celestis: Maybe Scott owes us a favor. Maybe your security isn't as good as you think it is.[13:28] Fax Celestis: Maybe someone else told us.[13:28] TsarevichAleksei: and regardless of how edifying this conversation is, i really need to get going[13:28] TsarevichAleksei: we can have a crisis later[13:28] Fax Celestis: //shrug[13:28] Fax Celestis: fineThe Third, with Nick Leghorn, during the two:[12:55] VAFoghorn: so what do you think of the latest developments?[12:56] Fax Celestis: which latest developments? The Nafticon Contract or whatever?[12:56] VAFoghorn: yeah[12:56] Fax Celestis: Not entirely happy[12:57] VAFoghorn: ditto here[12:57] Fax Celestis: Did they even tell you?[12:57] VAFoghorn: not a word[12:57] VAFoghorn: I have admin rights and I didn't know about it![12:58] Fax Celestis: My question: why does Atterra want New Brannum so mcuh?[12:58] VAFoghorn: I don't know, but it's mine. I liberated it, I put golf courses on it, it's mine.[12:59] Fax Celestis: //nod[12:59] Fax Celestis: The reason I ask[13:0 VAFoghorn: interesting sidenote, I'm ranting at Steven, and this is one of the things he's said:[13:0 VAFoghorn: (15:57:25) Foghorn: they're PISSED (15:57:3 st3v34: yes (15:57:44) st3v34: be a good Antican and defend me now/.[13:0 VAFoghorn: (15:58:07) Foghorn: no (15:58:11) Foghorn: you got yourself into it (15:58:16) Foghorn: you get yourself out (15:58:26) Foghorn: welcome to democracy[13:0 Fax Celestis: [15:44] Fax Celestis: So, if you can think of something to give us back in exchange, I'd be much more willing to consider this course of action [15:44] st3v34: New Brannum? [15:45] Fax Celestis: For now, the way things are will stand. The topic is not closed, however, and you may approach me after discussing with your compatriots what you have to offer. [15:45] st3v34: New Brannum? [15:45] Fax Celestis: I can't. Not now [15:45] st3v34: Trade New Brannum for Aquilaria? [15:46] Fax Celestis: Perhaps. Let me think about it.[13:01] Fax Celestis: That was my original convo with him, right after the declaraction of annexation[13:01] Fax Celestis: He was practically begging me for New Brannum.[13:01] Fax Celestis: And then to have New Brannum show up within the Contract going around, handed specifically to Atterra...[13:02] VAFoghorn: well, they must consider it a small claim that isn't worth much[13:02] Fax Celestis: Yes, but what does steven owe atterra?[13:02] Fax Celestis: And why?[13:02] VAFoghorn: now that's a question...[13:06] Fax Celestis: Oh, I get it...[13:07] Fax Celestis: Johann made the Contract[13:07] VAFoghorn: that makes sense, but why do they want it?[13:07] Fax Celestis: still no idea.[13:07] Fax Celestis: WHere exactly is new brannum...?[13:07] Fax Celestis: //checks map[13:07] VAFoghorn: where Red antilles ustawas[13:1 Fax Celestis: Interesting.[13:1 VAFoghorn: that land was unclaimed when Antica invaded[13:15] Fax Celestis: Ohshit.[13:15] Fax Celestis: I think Atterra is going to try something on Stormark[13:16] Fax Celestis: That's the only explanation I can think of[13:16] VAFoghorn: that's a pretty hefty accusation you've got there[13:16] VAFoghorn: but it fits the bill...[13:16] Fax Celestis: YeahTheory:Atterra is planning to invade and/or take over and/or make Stormark into a puppet state. New Brannum gives Atterra valid staging ground for a land invasion northwards. Johanns specifically pointed fingers at Stormark, probably hoping to weaken our relations with them. He also made comments about Stormark being weakened by the Crandans leaving.Steven and the Republic played into this handily with their claims for land, even going so far as to include the New Brannum clause in the Nafticon Declaration. Steven himself begged me for the territory, and I basically gave him the finger.Atterra knows about our friends in Stormark and probably leaked this to them so they would leak this to us.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Requesting declassification per Declassification act of 3742.