Landsraad Procedures Expansion Bill

[Malliki Tosha]

I propose the following amendment to the Landsraad Procedures. This is to incorporate the rules issued by the Praetor into the Procedures:

B. Votes
1. Each Duke is allocated 10 votes that they may cast, or assign to subordinate nobles.
2. A Duke must always have the largest single vote amongst himself and his lesser nobles.
3. A Lesser noble may never have more then 5 votes.
4. Votes possessed and cast by a noble must always be integers.
5. A Duke may assign votes as he sees fit among his subordinate nobles, provided the above criteria.
6. Vote allocations may not be changed except by the Duke of a Duchy, or other duly appointed individual. It is the responsibility of a new Duke to update their vote allocations.
7. Should a Duke other than the one who made the original post in the Big Fat Vote Thread wish to change the vote allocations, zie should make a new post and then request the Praetor to archive the old one.

D. Voting
1. After a bill has been presented to the Landsraad, there is a period of exactly four days (96 hours) during which the members of the Landsraad can then vote on it.
2. Each member, or their emissary, may cast zir complete vote in any unambiguous way to represent a vote of aye or nay.
3. A vote only applies to a bill exactly as it has been presented.
4. At the end of the period, the Praetor counts the votes, announces the result, and if the ayes outnumber the nays, updates the LawBook with the changes.
5. The Landsraad voting shall be public.
6. Once a bill has been officially opened by the Praetor, the votes that are allocated for that particular bill will be those specified at the time of opening in the Big Fat Vote Thread.
7. Changes made to the Big Fat Vote Thread will not be counted towards already active bills.

[AryezturMejorkhor]

This is overregulation. Therefore,

Goldshire Khorze (4) - NAY

[Malliki Tosha]

This is to formalize current procedure. If you vote Nay, they will still be there, only not in writing.

[Harvey Steffke]

Writing matters though.

Now that I see the whole thing, I notice that 1. and 2. of section F. Speech contract fairly badly. 1. says that nobles can express opinions in the Landsraad but 2. says that they can't. That's bad.

[AryezturMejorkhor]

I'm not happy with the new procedure either. Things were fine the way they were.

[Allot]

Now that I see the whole thing, I notice that 1. and 2. of section F. Speech contract fairly badly. 1. says that nobles can express opinions in the Landsraad but 2. says that they can't. That's bad.

I apologize for this, Mr. Steffke. I clearly didn't realize this conflict with the Procedures. Although it does seem a bit counter-intuitive what with the Front Gate.

[Harvey Steffke]

Look, I'm with you on the whole "what's the point of the front gate?" thing, but I still think we should be involving the whole nation on something like this since it's kind of a large change to the legislation. If nothing else we should hear what people without Landsraad access have to say, if anything.

[Ryan]

I reiterate that I don't see the point of F.2. A motion in the Landsraad is intended to be debated, discussed, and ultimately argued over. That is the whole point of legislating.

I don't disagree with the rest of the changes.

[Malliki Tosha]

I withdraw the last amendment.

[Allot]

I've move this to the Front Gate so that we can continue having this discussion.

[Malliki Tosha]

Move it back. This is an active bill.

[Allot]

I thought you withdrew it?

[Erik Mortis]

He amended it.

Also, Emissaries cannot change vote allocations. That is a power of the Duke alone, or over a body/individual designated by the Duke. If a Duchy wants Emissaries to be able to edit allocations, that should be handled by local means. Till that is fixed I won't support this.

[Malliki Tosha]

Better?

[Erik Mortis]

Seems to be.

[Ryan]

Alright, the edits look good. I lodge my support.

Yardistan, Aye (10)

[AryezturMejorkhor]

I'll change my vote

Goldshire (4)- Aye

[Malliki Tosha]

G. Lakhesis 2 - Aye

[Erik Mortis]

Dolor, AYE (2).

[Harvey Steffke]

All the meat has been rather effectively scrapped off the bones, but what's left is worthwhile enough to warrant passing.

AYE Khor... umm... Parvatvana, apparently (3)

[Daniel Farewell]

Brookshire - Aye (6)

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Straylight (10) Aye.

[W.Payne]

Kildare (10) Aye.

[Allot]

This passes 47 - 0.