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Tri-Cit Clarification Law

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Lawbook, Chapter IX, B.
B: Tri Citizenship Restriction

1. Citizens of Shireroth are allowed only three national allegiances including Shireroth. When applying for citizenship, an individual must have two or less citizenship, else they will be denied citizenship.
2. If a citizen comes into violation of these requirements, he/she must remedy the situation within one Shirerithian week. (14 days).
The following shall be added.
3. If in this time the violation has not been remedied, the offending individual shall have willingly relinquished their citizenship.

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Additionally
LB.V.E wrote:c. No citizen of Shireroth will lose citizenship solely on the basis of failure to fill out a census form, nor by any other means save Kaiserial decree or voluntary emigration.
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LB.V.E wrote:c. No citizen of Shireroth will lose citizenship solely on the basis of failure to fill out a census form, nor by any other means save Kaiserial decree, voluntary emigration, or violation of the Tri-Cit Law.
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Not needed. The wording I put forth counts under the "Emigration" portion.

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I understand your position. But would it not be safer to simply change both and avoid the case that someone calls on LB.V.E.c as a reason why thier citizenship cannot be removed? A simple statement of intention saying that despite the fact they are in violation of the Tri-Cit law they still wish to remain a citizen of Shireroth, would render your argument that they have chosen to no longer be a citizen of Shireroth invalid.

EDIT: If not feel free to ignore the amendment.
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Erik, your amendment is dangerous. Claiming people did things they say they did not do is a poor way of handing a legal system. Additionally, your handling of the current case has raised serious alarm bells at a lack of investigating the truth before handing out judgment. If I were to claim I have four citizenships right now, would I be given the unceremonious boot, or would anyone bother to check into that statement as truth? Even though an individual would be testifying against themselves by saying something like that, in the interest of fairness we should find out of it is true.

I agree with Leo's amendment. Voluntary emigration is another embarrassing omission.
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This is yet another attempt to patch the laws together with scotch tape, instead of actually having a real discussion so that the laws make sense.
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Try this out.
You had valid points.

Lawbook, Chapter IX, B.
B: Tri Citizenship Restriction

1. Citizens of Shireroth are allowed only three national allegiances including Shireroth. When applying for citizenship, an individual must have two or less citizenship, else they will be denied citizenship.
2. If a citizen comes into violation of these requirements, he/she must remedy the situation within one Shirerithian week. (14 days).
The following shall be added.
3. If in this time the violation has not been remedied, the offending individual shall have their citizenship removed.
LB.V.E to be changed to.
c. No citizen of Shireroth will lose citizenship solely on the basis of failure to fill out a census form, nor by any other means save Kaiserial decree, voluntary emigration, or violation of the Tri-Cit Law.

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I agree with that, at least preliminary.
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Is there something else you might like better?

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No, it's just that it's 5.50 am here and I need some sleep.
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The proposed bill still doesn't say HOW and WHO deems someone to have violated the tri-cit law.

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Doesn't have to. The HOW is pretty obvious, the WHO too (the MiniImNat). If you disagree with a decision by the Minister, you can always appeal to the Judex.
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I personally believe the "how" is finding out what citizenships a person claims to have and going to those countries to confirm citizenship status. Since this never happened, I'm not sure it's all that obvious. But this is a matter for court procedures, not for law.

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I remember the rivers of tears when I dragged Jess before the Judex for Tri-Cit violation...
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As Judex I would leave it to the MiniImNat to do the investigation, then bring the evidence before me.

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The vote shall be for the following amendment unless the bill is withdrawn by its author.
Erik Mortis wrote:Lawbook, Chapter IX, B.
B: Tri Citizenship Restriction

1. Citizens of Shireroth are allowed only three national allegiances including Shireroth. When applying for citizenship, an individual must have two or less citizenship, else they will be denied citizenship.
2. If a citizen comes into violation of these requirements, he/she must remedy the situation within one Shirerithian week. (14 days).
The following shall be added.
3. If in this time the violation has not been remedied, the offending individual shall have willingly relinquished their citizenship.

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Brookshire abstains. (6)

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Goldendown (3) votes AYE
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What about the amendment to LB, V, E, c?
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Sorry Brookshire and Goldendown, your votes are null and void. There are going to be serious Landsraad amendments when this is all over. Start it all over again with this stupid thing:
Lawbook, Chapter IX, B.
B: Tri Citizenship Restriction

1. Citizens of Shireroth are allowed only three national allegiances including Shireroth. When applying for citizenship, an individual must have two or less citizenship, else they will be denied citizenship.
2. If a citizen comes into violation of these requirements, he/she must remedy the situation within one Shirerithian week. (14 days).
The following shall be added.
3. If in this time the violation has not been remedied, the offending individual shall have their citizenship removed.

LB.V.E to be changed to.
c. No citizen of Shireroth will lose citizenship solely on the basis of failure to fill out a census form, nor by any other means save Kaiserial decree, voluntary emigration, or violation of the Tri-Cit Law.

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AYE: [Goldendown (3)] [G. Lakhesis (2)] [Dolor (2)] [Goldshire (4)] [Khorze (3)] [Yardistan (10)] === 24
NAY:
ABSTAIN: [Brookshire (6)] === 6
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Goldendown still votes AYE x 3
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Brookshire still abstains with its six votes.

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I still lodge the same concern as noted in the Front Gate that IX.B.2 needs to be further clarified with its procedure.
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That can be handled via ministerial regulation.

G. Lakhesis (2) - Aye
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Dolor, AYE (2).

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Goldshire (4)- Aye
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Khorze (3) AYE

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Yardistan, Aye (10)
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Great, this passes 24 - 0 - 6. :smashy
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