The Baron Vote Distrubution Act of ASC 2362

Hertug Gordon II · Post by **Hertug Gordon II** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:59 pm

A bill to modify the Lawbook of the Imperial Republic of Shireroth.

Change clause 3 of section H: Landsraad Votes of Chapter III: Nobles:

3. A Duke receives one vote for every County within zir Duchy, one vote for every subservient Barony within zir Duchy (not counting zir own), an extra two votes for being a Duke, and also receives the pre-alliance votes of zir subservient Barons. These last votes may be leased or gifted back to the subservient Baron according to the contract written up between the two Nobles upon allying.

To:

3. A Duke receives one vote for every County within zir Duchy, one vote for every subservient Barony within zir Duchy (not counting zir own), an extra two votes for being a Duke, and also receives the pre-alliance votes of zir subservient Barons. A Duchy can distribute its votes between its subservient Barons in whatever manner the Duchy desires according to the contract written up between the two Nobles upon allying.

Explanation: Right now I am told a Baron can only have 5 votes. I would like to change this.

Hypatia Agnesi · Post by **Hypatia Agnesi** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:50 pm

I think that instead, the limit on a subservient Baron's votes should be up to half the total number of Votes in the parent Duchy (rounded down), minus one. In the case of independent Baronies, there should still be a limit on votes, to encourage large Baronies to upgrade into Duchies. I have no problem with the Barons, if there are more than one, controlling more than half of the Duchy's votes when taken collectively.

For example, say that Duchy X has 15 votes total. It has a Barony, Y, which deserves lots of votes. Half of 15, rounded down, is 7. So Baron Y could be allotted as many as 6 votes, leaving 9 for the Duke. I feel very strongly that the Duke should always control more votes than any of the individual Barons under him.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:25 pm

I disagree. I think the Landsraad votes should be entirely up the Duke's decision, and always within his control (at least from an external perspective). If he wants to allocate them entirely to his Barons, then so be it. Why should there be such limits on allocation?

AngelGuardian93 · Post by **AngelGuardian93** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:36 pm

Been there, done that, I agree with Hypatia.

Hertug Gordon II · Post by **Hertug Gordon II** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:31 pm

Right now Northhold has two baronies, but the other Barony has 3 Counties and my Barony has 2. So according to our contracts, votes should be distributed according to size of the Barony. The point is that the smaller Barony should not get more votes unless we want them to.

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:47 pm

I hope you don't mind (Actually it's required of me

) but I am going to edit this bill to bring it to standard Landsraad format.

I agree with Delphi and John. There should be no set limit to vote distrubution within a duchy - said limits should be within the feudal contract. A good reason other than allowing people to do what they want is for another form of emissaries, to allow dukes to give their votes to their barons if they do not want to vote.

This bill does not change the status of votes of independent barons, continuing the advantage of a duchy over a barony.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:21 pm

I actually do believe that it makes sense that no Barony has more clout or political power than its Duchy and we should ensure that by any means necessary. If a situation where this fact must change - Duchies can handle it on a case by case basis, but the general rule must be to draw a clear difference in Duchal and Baronial power.

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:01 am

Even as a lowly Baron I second Rakesh's opinion and assert also my beleif that no indavidual barony, independent or no, should have more power than a duchy proper.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:04 am

So even if a Duke wills it? Even if the head of a Duchy would rather, either for sub-government purposes or otherwise, have it votes go elsewhere, he should be limited?

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:31 am

lemme see here.....

perhaps if there was a standardized or unnoficial counties to baronies to dukedom ratio, then one vote per county could go to the duke +1 for being a duke, and then duke could distribute as he pleases.

Or

if its an independant barony, the baron gets 1 vote per county,no more, UNLESS that gives him more votes than a duke would have before distribution.

ow, that hurt my brain. but it feels right, the challenge is the county to barony to dukedom ratio then theres the indy baronies... whew. thank goodness i cant vote yet.
by the way hypatia, let me know whats up with that please?

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:09 am

The point is that under this amendment a subservient Barony could only have as much power as the Duke if the Duke willed it. Votes allocated by a Duke (except under contract) are fully revocable, so I don't think we'd have to worry about over-powerful subservient Barons.

Besides, this gives a chance for a Barony-merge to be more a merger of equals, which gives MORE incentive to form Duchies. Right now, the only way to have any real power-sharing is to get married...

Hertug Gordon II · Post by **Hertug Gordon II** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:15 am

Hypothetically under the current system a Duchy can have 50 votes split into two Baronies. One Barony could have 2 counties, and another whatever 40 odd. And the one Baron with all the counties could only have 5 votes....

If a Duke is truly to be the head of his domain, he/she should have the right to make decisions regarding his/her votes.

AngelGuardian93 · Post by **AngelGuardian93** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:58 am

Allright, you've convinced me.

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:56 pm

oooh, actually, i like the way gordon put it, a duke gets 1 vote for being a duke, 1 vote for every barony, and one vote for every county, then distributes as he damn well pleases, much more monarchastic. huzzah.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:57 pm

Not that my lowly voice matters any, but I agree with John and Odie.

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:14 pm

Odie?

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:23 pm

This bill is now up for vote.

Antya votes YEA. (4)

Hypatia Agnesi · Post by **Hypatia Agnesi** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:45 pm

Kildare votes Aye (11).

AngelGuardian93 · Post by **AngelGuardian93** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:02 pm

HOLY abstains, whether it actually can or not, with 4 votes.

Delphi · Post by **Delphi** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:30 pm

Duchy of Antica proper votes AYE (10).

Hertug Gordon II · Post by **Hertug Gordon II** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:29 am

The Duchy of Northhold votes AYE (10)

(I assume before this passes we have 15 votes, that must be split 10-5, and then after this passes our contract on vote distribution will go into affect with the 8-7 split of our 15 votes)

H4773r 3lfs0n · Post by **H4773r 3lfs0n** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:57 am

The Barony of Vorpadal votes yea (5)

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:09 pm

AYE (4)

Sir Ophiuchus · Post by **Sir Ophiuchus** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:19 am

Aye (5).

Bill3000 · Post by **Bill3000** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:57 pm

This vote PASSES 49-0-5.

The Baron Vote Distrubution Act of ASC 2362

The Baron Vote Distrubution Act of ASC 2362

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