Resolution: Recwar clarification

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Someone wanna propose this?

We, the Landsraad of Shireroth, recognize Kaiser Hasan I as King of Bosworth in an in-character, recwar-centric action only. We petition the Kaiser to confirm to his people and the intermicronational world that he has no plans to permanently and seriously become Bosworth's out-of-character leader.

We also recognize the Shirerithian/Batavian occupation of Gascony as an in-character rec-occupation only. We petition the Kaiser to confirm to his people and the intermicronational world that he has no plans to permanently add the territory of Gascony to Shireroth. If the Batavians disagree with this, we petition the Kaiser to negotiate with them and come up with a mutually agreeable solution.

We commend Shireroth's brave soldiers and diplomats, and urge them to continue conducting the battle and surrounding negotiations in a way that will eventually result in the cession of Gascony and the Crown of Bosworth to the Kingdom of Bosworth under Wentworth or whomever else the international community deems to be the legitimate king of Bosworth at the time of cession.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

There is no difference... its all simulation! But no we have no permenant designs save for agreeing an appropriately modest peace treaty.

[Erik Mortis]

If no one else does, I'll put it forth when I'm sober.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

There's no difference to reasonable people who have a reasonable understanding of what it is to recwar. But it might make certain other people happy.

[Andreas the Wise]

We, the Landsraad of Shireroth, recognize Kaiser Hasan I as King of Bosworth in an in-character, recwar-centric action only. We petition the Kaiser to confirm to his people and the intermicronational world that he has no plans to permanently and seriously become Bosworth's out-of-character leader.

We also recognize the Shirerithian/Batavian occupation of Gascony as an in-character rec-occupation only. We petition the Kaiser to confirm to his people and the intermicronational world that he has no plans to permanently add the territory of Gascony to Shireroth. If the Batavians disagree with this, we petition the Kaiser to negotiate with them and come up with a mutually agreeable solution.

We commend Shireroth's brave soldiers and diplomats, and urge them to continue conducting the battle and surrounding negotiations in a way that will eventually result in the victory of Shireroth and the cession of Gascony and the Crown of Bosworth to the Kingdom of Bosworth under Wentworth or whomever else the international community deems to be the legitimate king of Bosworth at the time of cession.

A slight change. So slight you probably won't notice it ... but propose this version.

[Erik Mortis]

Unfortunately the Kaiser has seen fit to remove me as Emissary of Brookshire; By removing the Duke whom I served. So I can no longer present this for you Scott.

[Ari Rahikkala]

I'm going to sit on this one for a day or two, unless someone else submits it... as Ardy said, it's all simulation in the end, and bits like "Bosworth's out-of-character leader" do kind of grate with me. It's not an important matter at all, I'll definitely submit this to the Landsraad and vote for it tomorrow if I don't see progress in the peacemaking...
it's just that everything would feel so much more graceful and nice if we didn't have to make this statement in the first place.

[Jess]

Utterly pointless...

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Uh yeah. I don't really know what to say to this that hasn't already been stated elsewhere.

[Dennis Moore]

Brave Nobles of Shireroth, please do not abandon my people!

(Uncontrolled sobbing)

[babs]

As that's not obvious....

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Babs, this is the Landsraad Front Gate. It's a part of Shireroth's legislature where Barons are allowed to discuss issues of the Landsraad. It's not really meant to be a chat forum. I'd appreciate it if you could leave your commentary in the general forums.

[Dennis Moore]

Sorry

....where Barons are allowed to discuss issues.....

Just a little desperate is all. Me old mum (blows nose). Well, got to pack what few things we have left.

Didn't mean to intrude. Carry on and all that. (Blows nose.) I'll just be off - this way? Thanks..................

[Jess]

Wait, who are you?

[Scott of Hyperborea]

Babs, this is the Landsraad Front Gate. It's a part of Shireroth's legislature where Barons are allowed to discuss issues of the Landsraad. It's not really meant to be a chat forum. I'd appreciate it if you could leave your commentary in the general forums.

Unless something changed when I didn't notice, everyone is allowed to speak in the Landsraad Front Gate.

Not that I'm saying the Kaiser is wrong, of course. Just that his clever plans to protect the State in ways we can't even imagine might possibly be misleading the rest of you.

[babs]

I was just pointing out someone's impersonation of a desperate Gascon is about as subtle as a ton of bricks.


Now reading what Jeremy has written at the MCS I was right.





I'd appreciate it if you stopped invading nations at random, but y'know.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

At random? It was not at random, there was a perfectly valid causus belli.

Anyway, while your often repeated opinions are fascinating, this is not a free country; please go away before I recommend to the Kaiser that you be banned for trolling a forum of state.

[Ari Rahikkala]

I was just pointing out someone's impersonation of a desperate Gascon is about as subtle as a ton of bricks.

Jake isn't exactly famous for subtlety, you know

[babs]

Evidently Ari.

If you ban me, then it's nothing more than an attempt to silence me. Especially seeing as I'm not trolling. I didn't create a fake account just to serve as propaganda either.

[Kaiser Hasan I]

Scott,

I was under the impression that the Front Gate was for Barons only? But I haven't had full clarification of this.

Ardy,

Even if I agree with you, I will not ban babs at this point. However I also would respect anything passed by the Landsraad.

Babs,

If you were to be silenced I'd like to assure you of the difference between being silenced for being correct, verses being silenced for being obnoxious. Specifically, I think there are more than enough venues for you to voice your interesting opinions on things without inviting yourself into the internal legislative body of a foreign nation. Now, if you were to apply for citizenship, be my guest, post anywhere you like.

[Ari Rahikkala]

The Landsraad front gate isn't an internal legislative body. It's open for everyone to suggest and discuss Landsraad bills.

[babs]

If you don't want non-citizens to post in here, then why is it open to all?

[Andreas the Wise]

How much fun do you think it would be to start and maintain a usergroup of current citizens?

[b3n|<3r|\|]

If you don't want non-citizens to post in here, then why is it open to all?

*shrug* Some people expect other people to be nice. Same thing in the USSC. Supreme Soviet is open to all to post so less work is made for admins, but only citizens are allowed to post. If users continue to post there without permission having been told they're noobs, their posts are deleted and their accounts banned (at least temporarily). System built on trust.

[Jacobus Loki]

Jake wasn't attempting to be subtle. When he chooses to be subtle, it usually goes undetected, sometimes for years. On occasion he has to rat himself out.

Since Dennis' character was involved in the war, I though he might like to be involved in the aftermath. It was intended to be a brick.

Wars frequently create refugees.

I've asked him to stay out of MCS, and he told me he will comply. Since there is peace, he will most likely not show up in Bosworth again. There was a referendum, and he wanted to go home to vote, but, c'est la guerre.

[Scott of Hyperborea]

I have never, in six odd years of monitoring the Landsraad Front Gate, heard one shred of evidence to the effect that only citizens are allowed to comment here.

The Front Gate is a place for discussing Landsraad bills. I think it would be a mistake to ban non-citizens from this forum, because many of them might have an opinion on Landsraad bills, their opinions might be important (especially in the case of Landsraad bills that affect their own country), and it would be a shame to have to have two topics on the same bill, one in Front Gate and one in General, to discuss the same issue.

And even talking about banning someone for expressing a valid but unpopular opinion in a way sorta almost approaching being respectful even if it doesn't actually make it there is a threat to the very idea of benevolent absolutism.

[Aurangzeb Khan]

Foreigners should refer their concerns about legislation to their official representatives to present to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in an appropriate fashion.

In my opinion the implied benefits of benevolent absolutism should only be made available to those who embrace the virtue of Empire by adopting citizenship - for the rest there really is no reason to heed their voices at all.

[Liam conToketi]

And hey, lucky for them the MiniEx has a temporary vote in the Landsraad

Quick, complain to me while I still have voting rights!

[Prodigy Almighty]

Babs, I think Dennis has a perfectly legitimate reason for coming to Shireroth. Not only are we the ones liberating his land (depending on view-point), but my Barony of Absentia is also directly next door to Gascony, which makes it an opportune place for refugee camps.

[babs]

I wasn't questioning the fictional character's motives.