Ducal Decree #3: Limiting the Power of the Duke

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Ducal Decree #3: Limiting the Power of the Duke

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I, Syr William, Duke of Brookshire, do on this day, 3586 ASC, do decree that
as of 3587 ASC the Duke/Duchess of Brookshire cannot make any laws without
the support of at least 1 Baron or 2 Counts.

A Duke/Duchess of Brookshire may not make this Decree null and void without
the support of at least 2 Barons or 4 Counts.

The Duke/Duchess shall still have the power to make people Baron's and Count's
but may not fire a Baron or Count on the basis of not supporting a Decree. A
probable cause must be found to fire a Baron or Count.

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I oppose this. The Duke of Brookshire should have autocratic authority. We must represent the best Feudalism Shireroth has to offer.

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I support the repeal of this decree. So, that makes it two baron(es)s. :yay:
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By the Gods! I see a kind of democracy in the old Brookshirian lands! What's happening with this world?! :o
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This isn't democracy and in fact does represent the reality of a feudal system. A King could not act without the financial and military support of his Dukes, and so on. Feudalism is not centralised autocracy; far, far from it.

However, in terms of Shireocracy, this does represent a great shift as Shireroth is generally unaffected by fiscal and military influence.

Edit: Though given the developments of the past year (i.e. the economy, SCIRA), this move might actually represent the next stage in Shireocracy. :)
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Shirocracy! :document

Bacchus, with a system like this there is much chance it will eventually give a lot bureaucracy and worse: in inactive times the impossibility to rule.
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but what if I added a clause to say that if there where less than 1 baron in the Duchy then the Decree would automatically be made void?
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Nah, we want an all-powerful Duke! :yay:
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Okay. I officially repeal this decree.

The main reason I made this was when i was just a count I remember wanting a bit more of a choice in what was happening in the Duchy than Counts have.

What would you say if I opened a lesser house in the Kehl for counts?
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Up to you really, but I've always frowned upon this level skipping. Counts can be involved in a council in their barony, barons in their duchy, and the dukes in the Landsraad.
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But, my Niftyness, the fact of the matter is that most Baronies do not have a council in which Counts can be active.
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Just follow Elwynn!

But seriously, combining Counts and Barons in one Council is a good idea, because separating them encourages elitism which discourages activity. If you need to give counts half a vote or something like we did then you can do that.

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Syr William wrote:But, my Niftyness, the fact of the matter is that most Baronies do not have a council in which Counts can be active.
Because the low amount of counts in one Barony doesn't really make it worth creating a council... :angel
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What Jonas said... :archy
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Isabelle is referring to a Council at the Ducal level such as the Council of Eliria.
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I like what Allot is talking about. Half a vote would be good. I'll think about that some more.
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If they did get a house in the Kehl, they should get no vote.

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It's not like we have a lot of active people around that are only counts.
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Okay then, let's just drop this whole topic.
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