Shireroth

From Elwynn, a proposal

How about this?

So much for 3 houses.

Well, this was a consequence of this system you must have anticipated.

Kaiser Mors VI wrote:So much for 3 houses.

An odd grumbling for a person who negotiated merging three houses into one.

True...

It's time for...
House Kalir-Kildare-Yardis-Annexis-Mortis-Tosha-Straylight!!!

The only House with six hyphens.

Then Mortis will break free! And be the ONLY house with NO hyphens!

Then Tosha-Straylight will break free!
I want to break free!
I want to break free from your lies!

lol. I'm glad you found a use for it.

I'm spreading hope and change we can believe in.

Daniel Farewell wrote:From Elwynn, a proposal

How about this?

My initial reaction is that any house with real aspirations for greatness should have enough pride to go on it's own and not conglomerate with others - hence not joining House Yardis. That said, if there were any other house I'd feel comfortable joining with, it would be Kalir.

My main question would be: who would you plan to appoint Kaiser? If you're just going to appoint Maliki (which your discussions in the Council of Eliria suggest), and so is House Yardis, there's no real point conglomerating. And I'd like to discourage conglomeration as much as possible, because I think the integrity of the system relies on houses rising and falling by themselves; not by merging every two weeks (though that is so Apollo, I know).

Were it possible to have a house alliance which allowed us to pick the Kaiser without a formal house merger, I'd be more likely to accept.

My main question would be: who would you plan to appoint Kaiser? If you're just going to appoint Maliki (which your discussions in the Council of Eliria suggest), and so is House Yardis, there's no real point conglomerating. And I'd like to discourage conglomeration as much as possible, because I think the integrity of the system relies on houses rising and falling by themselves; not by merging every two weeks (though that is so Apollo, I know).

That would be something for the united House to decide upon together. From the Kalir house, we have myself, Scott, the Khan, and Harald. Scott has declined, and Harald is the emperor of Stormark (thus unlikely to be Kaiser of Shireroth as interesting as it may be). Me, Ardy or someone from your house. The main thing is that we decide together through a document such as the Instrument of Government.

Were it possible to have a house alliance which allowed us to pick the Kaiser without a formal house merger, I'd be more likely to accept.

If it is possible that we could find someone that would further our ideas and in the same way have the present kaiser accept it, I don't know.

What are your ideas?

Yagh wiihhhlll bahrra zgapa lide intrejger

- Making Shireroth a quasi-federal empire consisting of divisions of ranks based on activity and population. One house could potentially rule over more than one division if sufficient population

Or summat like that, ANdreas and Jonas.

If the Houses through the Landsraad wanted to establish a system of not having to truly merge to get the benefits of merging for Kaiser selection. I would support it.

Kaiser Mors VI wrote:If the Houses through the Landsraad wanted to establish a system of not having to truly merge to get the benefits of merging for Kaiser selection. I would support it.

Kaiser selection by House is really the worst thing someone has ever invented...

Like I said.. it's a back up system, I just plan to use it for my heir. And that being said.. I HEARD YOU THE FIRST BLOODY TIME!

Kaiser Mors VI wrote:Like I said.. it's a back up system, I just plan to use it for my heir. And that being said.. I HEARD YOU THE FIRST BLOODY TIME!

I like to repeat things... it's the only way to indoctrinate a Kaiser and his fellowship.

Jonas wrote:I like to repeat things... it's the only way to indoctrinate a Kaiser and his fellowship.

... of the Ring?

Or to annoy the Kaiser to the point that he never gives you anything you want, on principle.

Kaiser selection by House is really the worst thing someone has ever invented..

No, the worst system would be a Jacobist-Pastrami Coup.

Miller for Kaiser!

AQAAHHGGSAASDFD!

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Kaiser Mors VI wrote:If the Houses through the Landsraad wanted to establish a system of not having to truly merge to get the benefits of merging for Kaiser selection. I would support it.

Can we do that? As I understood your decree, it was the 'biggest house'; so unless the Landsraad can pass a law that says "A formal alliance counts as one house for the purpose of Kaiseral selection", which seems odd semantics (does that mean we can pass a law 'clarifying' the wording of all your decrees?) I don't see how we can.

The only one that can clarify an Imperial Decree is the Kaiser.

That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming that.

And to put my Ducal hat on, I don't support any such system. Either it's the largest house or it isn't, none of this half-assed crap.

Yeah.. after I posted it I realized.. that makes no sense.

One last call, Lords Cla'udi and Jonas!

If we merge we can together find, through our appointed kaiser, a middle-way for Shireroth, a middle-way between the old duchies and the system of houses. We could, if it pleases you, divide Shireroth's counties into "shires", administrated outside the houses' core lands but by the houses. How we do this is up for discussion, but I am confident that if we work together we can make this middle-way succeed.

The Kaiser is aging. Soon he will be replaced. Let us rule Shireroth!

(Together we can! )

Malliki Tosha wrote:And to put my Ducal hat on, I don't support any such system. Either it's the largest house or it isn't, none of this half-assed crap.

I can see that you and I have very different understandings of how Erik's system is meant to play out. The way I see, Houses are meant to be fairly stable enterprises, and rise and fall individually. Merging should be a permanent thing and three houses being joined but not is an unfortunate aberration that should not be encouraged. By contrast, the Kaiser removed the restriction on alliances between Dukes, obviously to allow Houses to form such alliances. I also think his intention on giving the heirship to be biggest house was really to give it to the best house, but he hasn't yet found a clear way to determine which house is the most powerful and prestigious apart from the rather crass method of counting it's members.

To that end, I would advise the Kaiser to change his heir to not be awarded to the largest house; but to be decided by the largest alliance of houses. Since in a feudal system, especially a non-hereditary* one like Shireroth, the monarch's power only lasts while he retains the support of his nobles, it makes perfect sense to me that the new Kaiser should be determined by the most powerful alliance of nobles - this allows houses to stay separate, but to throw their combined authority and prestige behind the Kaiser.

*You have to be descended from Raynor, but not from the previous Kaiser.

One last call, Lords Cla'udi and Jonas!

If we merge we can together find, through our appointed kaiser, a middle-way for Shireroth, a middle-way between the old duchies and the system of houses. We could, if it pleases you, divide Shireroth's counties into "shires", administrated outside the houses' core lands but by the houses. How we do this is up for discussion, but I am confident that if we work together we can make this middle-way succeed.

The Kaiser is aging. Soon he will be replaced. Let us rule Shireroth!

(Together we can! )

I still would prefer an alliance over a merger if the Kaiser can make such a thing possible; but barring that, I will agree to a quasi-merger, at least until the Kaiser's heir is picked, so that we can pick a good one. I think the future of Erik's system (not to mention the future of Shireroth, with the number of people having left or being on quasi-LOA) rests on finding the right Kaiser to succeed him - one who will support the system Erik has put in place, and grow and develop it; but will also listen to the concerns of his citizens and take Shireroth and the House System in a direction we can all get behind, before we lose too many more.